EVE General Discussion

Just answer the question.

In your view, is high sec afk multibox ratting more profitable than high sec afk multibox ice mining?

Id recommend you do so now, before I answer it for you and you lose all recourse to a dignified retreat from the corner you've talked yourself into.

You havent answered the question.

You said this:



That is NOT what I have asked you.

I asked you this SPECIFICALLY.
In your view, is high sec afk multibox ratting more profitable than high sec afk multibox ice mining?

The difference is highlighted in bold. It would seem perhaps you simply misread or overlooked that distinction, for which I will give you the benefit of the doubt and restate the question once more.

I like Cheese.

Yeah. A liar.
Just what I expected.

In HIGH-SEC, the low interactivity requirements, extremely low risks and good profits from Ice Mining are conducive to multibox afking.

Afk multibox ratting in high-sec will NOT produce more profit than high-sec afk multibox Ice Mining will.

Which brings us to the crux of my point, and where you failed, utterly.

That it is exactly the LOW INTERACTIVITY required in Ice Mining, as weighed against the negligible risk and the sizeable profit, that is the core root of this problem.

The LOW INTERACTIVITY required results in about 4.8mil ISK, for as little as 5s activity per 15min cycle, per account.

That challenges even non-high-sec afk multibox ratting, especially considering the almost nonexistant risk.
And ESPECIALLY because if you are actually so stupid as to afk-rat, you are just asking to lose ALL your ships.

You failed. Next time, maybe try being honest instead. You got caught in your own dishonesty. Typical.

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As to the profitability of high sec afk multibox ice mining as compared to PLEX (assuming say a 600mil price for PLEX)

At 4.8mil per load, that comes out to 125 loads for a Mackinaws nominal 28k hold.
For those 125 loads, as 15mins of AFK and 5s of activity per load, it takes a total of 1875mins (31.25hrs) of AFKing and 625s (10.41mins) of activity.

Roughly that's about 1hr of AFKING and 20s of activity per day (assuming a 30 day month) to PLEX the account.

1hr of AFK. 20s of activity, per day, to PLEX.

Everything beyond that, is profit.

Now where it gets real, is if you are doing this with say 6 accounts.
The thing that happens there, is that that doesnt mean you have to spend 6 hrs afk mining to plex them, no, its still just the same 1 hr per day. Only your necessary activity gets multiplied. So instead of spending 5 sec every 15 mins unloading/retargetting, you spend 35s total. 35s, and then AFK for another 15mins.

So in 1hr of AFK and 2min 20s of activity, per day, you PLEX 6 (SIX) accounts, simultaneously.

Everything else, is profit, and from 6 miners pulling 4.8Mil per 15mins, that adds up substantially.

If, for example, you afk mined for 2hrs per day, you could PLEX a total of 12 (TWELVE) accounts in one month.

Go ahead. Show me someone who can afk-rat for 12 PLEX a month, on 2hrs a day AFK and 2mins20s activity.

(Goes without saying these figures are concerned only with the actual and specific activity of high-sec afk multibox ice mining)

Debate club arguments like in the last few pages ruin the forums. They suffocate any coherent discussion or exchange of information.

no, i didn't. you fabricated arguments i didn't make after i systematically corrected all of your inaccuracies.

My only inaccuracy was that a Mackinaw takes 30mins to fill its hold.
You added T2+Implants to the equation and reduced that to 15mins.

I've debunked all your own ridiculous fabrications such as the pathetic attempt at comparison to afk-ratting here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4329504#post4329504

You are a liar as well as deliberately dishonest in discourse.

[quote=BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Mining does need to be change, but crashing the eve economy (read as :increasing ore amounts and dropping ship prices") is not the way to do it. It needs to be changed to require active user input to decrease the effectiveness of multiboxing/botting/afk mining. No profession should reward not being at your computer more than it does paying attention. Also, no mining ships are "easy" targets if the player is at their keyboard watching local and using d-scan. If you believe that, try ganking targets that are paying attention some time.


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I'm okay with ship prices tanking....
besides, mining needs to be much more profitable. Ship prices keep going up and up and up because nobody wants to do it because it arguably takes so darn long. I personally would wanna see mining yields and holds doubled

Mining definitely needs a mini-game -- but i suggest it be that you have to hold your mining lasers on target for a set period of time or the rock destabilizes and explodes damaging your ship. This would have the added benefit of making it hard to multi-box as the target would be different for each rock.

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