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It's not worth it dude.

He's absolutely, infallibly correct in every statement to emerge out of either his mouth or fingers, doncha know ?

You'll head straight down an intellectual black hole here.

Indeed. I undocked in Gelhan, which has an ice belt I occasionally use and was just out of station when I saw this amazing, huge creature undock right behind me. I had never seen it before in 4 years ingame and it was in fact a bit startling.

It looked like a tight wad of insects and reminded me of a female cockroach with hundreds of babies hanging on.

I zoomed in and realized it was a wad of no less than 60 Mackinaws, all undocked simultaneously. All the same Corp. All toons founded the same day. They turned in lockstep and warped off in a wad together to the ice belt, and had it cleared out in about 20 minutes, leaving nothing for anyone else. My communiques in Local to them were not answered.

Disgusting.

this is exactly what is wrong with mining.
as often as you come out with some complete ****, krixtal, you also get the point once in a while.

no, it's not a pimp mackinaw, it's a standard t2 fit mackinaw with a 125m implant. (139 ice not 142 ice per hour if you use a 18m implant instead, which is still basically the 140 i quoted). again, the fact you think it's "pimp" in order to achieve that demonstrates that you don't actually know what you're talking about. unless you have a very loose definition of "pimp", because i certainly don't consider a t2 fit to be pimp.

you can pretend i'm protecting a vested interest all you want. i'm not, i'm just sitting here telling you to stop lying. I have a strong dislike for liars.

the root is not that mining is a low interaction activity; the root is that it scales very well with multiple accounts unlike ratting, or missioning where the reward is split and the addition of additional characters is logarithmic not linear like mining.
In addition to this there's the unsociable nature of mining; to maximise your return it's in your interest to have 0 interaction with other players, avoid being ganked, avoid sharing your belts to minimise time moving between belts etc. large fleets of antisocial unresponsive players are due to those factors, not the low interaction required for mining.

if you increase the interaction you won't reduce the number of large fleets, you'll just increase the use of people using third party software to duplicate actions in order to control several accounts at once. the reasons for large fleets will remain even if you had to interact with your miner at the end of every cycle (something you pretty much have to do if you're using a hulk).

False. The reason for proliferation of multiboxing miners is because it is so easy to do and requires very little activity from even one player. The risks are so small as to be negligeable. The characters also have very narrow and relatively quick skill requirements. The profits are excellent and each character can PLEX itself easily over the course of a month.

Its you who are lying when you try to present the problem with mining (especially Ice mining in high sec) as anything else than the following:
Its too easy to do, while doing actually very little at all (ie:afking), the risks are negligeable, the profits are very good for 5s of activity every 15mins, and the characters quick to train and can fund their own plex.

It is exactly BECAUSE it requires such a low level of activity, that this is possible in the first place.
You talked yourself into a corner on this.

It is exactly the ease of running a multibox mining fleet due to LOW INTERACTIVITY REQUIREMENTS (ie: 5s activity per 15mins required per account, rest can be afk) which makes it plausible. The profits are more than enough to plex the accounts and the effort required is tiny compared to any other simultaneous multibox activity.

So again, where in high-sec does afk ratting produce more profit than ice mining?

So now your changing your argument that afk-multiboxx ratting is more profitable than ice-mining in high sec?

Are you saying that high sec afk multibox ratting is more profitable than high sec afk multibox ice mining?

Just answer the question.

In your view, is high sec afk multibox ratting more profitable than high sec afk multibox ice mining?