Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm not suggesting that bumping with this new module only works in high-sec. It would work the same in all areas of space. Also I am not sure where the idea of making this a propulsion mod came from, or that you would need to have bumping versions of the other propulsion modules - I'm not suggesting this at all.

You could get around people throwing themselves in front of you by making it a targeted module, as in you have to lock someone an activate it on them - but this is getting too complicated now - any solution needs to be simple.

I will admit defeat on finding a solution to someone 'blockading' people with their ships that cannot be bumped. I fear that you may indeed have struck upon the main problem with this idea.

So says a bumper.

Bumping is a huge problem and just because ccp hasn't really said much on the matter doesn't mean its not a BS way of holding someone till your buddies get there.

I'm sure tho you could tell me how a Rifter that has the full mass of a fart, can keep a giant freighter from jumping into warp?

I mean really if you throw a rock at a car getting on the interstate it doesn't wobble back and forth on the on ramp until the rock goes away.

I've said in posts before bumpers will pull every line out of the book to defend this BS game breaking practice bumping. Whats even funnier is when they get mad the second someone suggests a fix, always screaming your going to break the game.

The need to fix it isn't "very questionable". It should be fixed. The questionable part is how high-priority it is compared to other problems.

Silly ideas like suspect flags and special modules are exactly that - silly ideas. Just tweak the physics engine so that mass actually has an appropriate effect on ship-to-ship interactions. It wouldn't even mess anything up.

Tweaking the physics engine does none of these things.

Some tactics deserve a bit of nerfing, especially where the risk/reward ratio is a bit askew. Securing yourself a big juicy kill - in any sec - should require a little bit more initial outlay than a Slasher.

I've always found it hilarious that my MWD Breacher can bump Orcas and freighters so significantly with just one impact that their align time is doubled or even tripled.

An oversized MWD stabber should be able to bump a freighter. An oversized MWD stabber has over half the mass of a battleship and several times the velocity. Your point is null. We're talking about frigates with small prop mods bumping capital ships. Simple fact of the matter is that the capital ship's engines are many times as powerful, so it should take more than 1-2 frigates with 1MN MWDs to completely prevent a freighter from being able to align. A frigate hitting a freighter at 4km/s with 1.6 million kg mass should alter the freighter's velocity by about 0.17% of the frigate's velocity, or 6.8m/s. That's still pretty significant, given how long it takes for the freighter to recover and how little time it takes for the frigate to come around again. But that way at least it would take several frigates to prevent a freighter from aligning to warp.

edit: it's another Anhenka post!

I mine, therefore I am. Lol. I don't have time to do PvP or waste my life roleplaying or being someone else's tool in their endless WarDecs. I like Eve, I play the game, I pay for the account, and therefore I do have a problem with bumping.

First, I'm not talking about bumping a freighter to stop it from aligning so it can get ganked, but I always thought it was silly escorting said freighter since I couldn't really do much if someone decided to be aggressive. I'm talking about people bumping you out of mining belts just because they can. they have no risk, there is no action that can be taken against them without Concord intervention. The ships they're bumping are larger and more expensive and not likely to try and gank; usually not armed.

Spacecraft are like aircraft. Structural integrity is all important. Anything more than a minor bump renders them unsafe. Yet we take a frig/cruiser, strap a MWD to it, let it collide at lightspeed with an object twice its size, or more, and then imagine there is no dmg so that it can do this over and over without penalty.

I like the module idea. I also think that if we can anchor a station, or a can, we should be able to anchor a mining barge. If someone wants to ram you, more than incidental bumping that occurs at gates and stations, then there should be dmg and it should affect their speed, electronics, fire control, etc. making them suspect for high speed rams sounds like an improvement.

I pay to play Eve the same as any PvP player. If the PvP guys could get rid of the miners they would. But who would make your ships then? Who would mine the ore necessary to build them? And who would mine the ice belts for fuel for your jump freighters, carriers, dreads, and titans? We are as essential to the game as you are.

make high speed bumpers suspects
make serious dmg part of the consequences for high speed bumping
allow us to anchor our barges
give us some tool to fight back against those who aren't doing it for some strategic warfare type reason, but just to harass other players

Hello,

I would agree that there is an unbalanced between small and large vessel. There should be collateral damage. And this damage should be very bigger on the small ship.

Suggestion :
Let logic, a small ship that strikes a large vessel at very high speed should not without pulling without damage. The shield of the small vessel should be affected by the impact and if the pilot continues to bump the big ship, could even lose his ship.

This approach could in some cases prevent a small vessel bump a large vessel and the small vessel could not stop the alignment of large vessel. This will also force the use of the right tools to prevent a ship leave (warp disruptor and webifier).

Obviously more the ship that bump is bigger and more the bump will be effective and the damage will be more evenly distributed.

In highsec the bump could become an attack if the shield disappeared and that the structure of the vessel is affected. In the case of abuse Concord could intervene.

This way of doing would allow continue to bump AFK pilots or Bot.


And I do not agree to add an additional module.

A complicated solution to a problem that isn't really a problem that has repercussions that the OP never intended?

Oh, wait, I'm in F&I.

It's not exactly true that getting bumped off a rock only happens when you're AFK with your head in a frigde. :-) Actually, if you sit in an ice belt and watch for a while, or god forbid actually try to ice mine, you'll find that there are a lot of people who bump active players out of mining range quite easily. A stabber can bump an exhumer / barge 10k which would put them off the rock and they would lose the cycle.

My only problem with high-sec bumping is that there is not an appropriate risk / reward for the bumper. He has no risk, most I've seen are in NPC corps and you can't ward dec them. If there's not going to be a mechanism whereby the individual being bumped is able to counter (NOT PREVENT, just counter or respond to the agression) of the bumper in some way, then I think it could be seen as a problem to some. Myself included.

I'd like to have a module that anchors my ship. It can have a start up cycle and a cool down period so that once I unanchor, I can't jump immediately while my systems come back on line. (i.e. trying to run from a gank). Let's feed it some sort of fuel so that it is expensive to run that way it would only be used when "bumpers" are in the system and not by AFK miners, per say.

Again, I don't have an issue with bumping and don't believe it should be stopped (maybe they physics adjusted a bit), but give the miners options other than just having to leave the field (which is what CCP suggests).

Thanks folks!

And thats the reason we shouldnt talk about how to improve the Game?

This attitude is one of the Main reason Eve Online feels so stale, because people like you are just to ignorant to think different or outside the box.

So what your saying is... as long as ccp says its ok, it cool, because ccp is never wrong.