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Mining need to be changed

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2014-03-10 05:35:02 UTC
The simplistic high school market analogies do not work in the real world never-lone EVE :D

A few minor points that throw a spanner in the equations:
- reprocessing also provides minerals
- many people mine semi afk while doing other things in real life so the opportunity cost is very low
- for some minerals transport becomes a non-trivial part of the cost
- there are stockpiles of tens of thousands of some ships (procurers for example) dating back to a time they could be produced very cheaply meaning these ships sell on market for well below actual current production cost
- the market in most minerals is not deep enough to circumvent substantial price manipulation by bigger players (alliances)
Aeryn Tiberius
Woopatang
Primary.
#102 - 2014-03-10 06:40:31 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Miners need a vacation. Please remove ore from the game for 30 days. Thanks.


Are you a troll?
Rhatar Khurin
Doomheim
#103 - 2014-03-10 06:57:46 UTC
Mining is fine where it is atm i think, i don't really get bored whilst i'm doing it as often i'm drunk and talking rubbish in chat or watching a film on my other monitor.
Kasife Vynneve
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2014-03-10 13:14:28 UTC
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
one thing EVE could do, was to make mining like PL


So only interested in hot dropping on big rocks?
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#105 - 2014-03-10 16:53:40 UTC
because mining is boring?

mining should be the least appealing aspect of eve
nobody wants to play "afk mining on-line"
Regnag Leppod
Doomheim
#106 - 2014-03-10 18:33:47 UTC
Morganta wrote:
because mining is boring?

mining should be the least appealing aspect of eve
nobody wants to play "afk mining on-line"


I have to disagree there. There seem to be a *lot* of people who want to play "afk mining on-line".

Mining needs to be a lot more involved, and more profitable (this by means of decreasing the amount of mining significantly). This will happen eventually when CCP removes Concord from the game, so that may be why they aren't doing anything with it.
Salvos Rhoska
#107 - 2014-03-10 18:37:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Watching the swarms on high-sec Icebelts is pretty disgusting tbh, and does indeed need a change of some sort.
Dave Stark
#108 - 2014-03-10 18:55:30 UTC
Morganta wrote:
because mining is boring?


no, you think mining is boring.

that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it.
there is, but how "fun" mining is, isn't the issue with it.
Dave Stark
#109 - 2014-03-10 18:56:16 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Watching the swarms on high-sec Icebelts is pretty disgusting tbh, and does indeed need a change of some sort.


you think that's disgusting, go and look at the swarms of pimped out battleships when there's only 1 high sec incursion up.

it's truly revolting.
Salvos Rhoska
#110 - 2014-03-10 18:59:43 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Watching the swarms on high-sec Icebelts is pretty disgusting tbh, and does indeed need a change of some sort.


you think that's disgusting, go and look at the swarms of pimped out battleships when there's only 1 high sec incursion up.

it's truly revolting.


You can't afk Incursions though. Not really the same thing, is it.
Dave Stark
#111 - 2014-03-10 19:14:14 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Watching the swarms on high-sec Icebelts is pretty disgusting tbh, and does indeed need a change of some sort.


you think that's disgusting, go and look at the swarms of pimped out battleships when there's only 1 high sec incursion up.

it's truly revolting.


You can't afk Incursions though. Not really the same thing, is it.


you've clearly never taken a 1400 mach in to an incursion.
you can be about as afk as a miner in one of those.
Salvos Rhoska
#112 - 2014-03-10 19:23:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Watching the swarms on high-sec Icebelts is pretty disgusting tbh, and does indeed need a change of some sort.


you think that's disgusting, go and look at the swarms of pimped out battleships when there's only 1 high sec incursion up.

it's truly revolting.


You can't afk Incursions though. Not really the same thing, is it.


you've clearly never taken a 1400 mach in to an incursion.
you can be about as afk as a miner in one of those.


Indeed I have not.

But if you are seriously trying to compare Incursions to AFK miners swarming all over Icebelts like flies on ****, I have no further interest in discussing with you.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#113 - 2014-03-10 19:28:22 UTC
Morganta wrote:
because mining is boring?

mining should be the least appealing aspect of eve
nobody wants to play "afk mining on-line"



No its not boring, its just not as interactive as other activites. And lots of people have no problems playing afk mining online, hell I like to setup and mine then check the web and come back, or i'll watch the miners suck in ore or gas and just chat and chill at the pretty colors.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Dave Stark
#114 - 2014-03-10 19:38:45 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Indeed I have not.

But if you are seriously trying to compare Incursions to AFK miners swarming all over Icebelts like flies on ****, I have no further interest in discussing with you.


i'm not trying to, i am comparing them.

there are many, many parallels.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#115 - 2014-03-10 19:57:59 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Watching the swarms on high-sec Icebelts is pretty disgusting tbh, and does indeed need a change of some sort.


you think that's disgusting, go and look at the swarms of pimped out battleships when there's only 1 high sec incursion up.

it's truly revolting.


You can't afk Incursions though. Not really the same thing, is it.


you've clearly never taken a 1400 mach in to an incursion.
you can be about as afk as a miner in one of those.


Indeed I have not.

But if you are seriously trying to compare Incursions to AFK miners swarming all over Icebelts like flies on ****, I have no further interest in discussing with you.


How do AFK miners do this?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Salvos Rhoska
#116 - 2014-03-10 20:08:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Malcanis wrote:
How do AFK miners do this?


Arrive in system.
Target Ice.
Activate Lazorz.
Set timer for when total yield=cargo capacity.
AFK. (Anywhere between around 15mins to 30mins)
Timer is up.
Empty Ice into larger vessel.
Retarget Ice if necessary.
Set timer.
AFK.

Until all the Ice is gone.

Its almost comical to watch the occasional hapless NPC Pirate arrive and be overwhelmed by the countless drones orbiting a dozen Mackinaws.
Dave Stark
#117 - 2014-03-10 20:23:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
How do AFK miners do this?


Arrive in system.
Target Ice.
Activate Lazorz.
Set timer for when total yield=cargo capacity.
AFK. (Anywhere between around 15mins to 30mins)
Timer is up.
Empty Ice into larger vessel.
Retarget Ice if necessary.
Set timer.
AFK.

Until all the Ice is gone.

Its almost comical to watch the occasional hapless NPC Pirate arrive and be overwhelmed by the countless drones orbiting a dozen Mackinaws.


if they're doing all of that, then they're clearly not afk.
also what you're describing isn't afk mining, it's just mining. mine an asteroid until it pops or cargo is full... what else are you going to do?
Salvos Rhoska
#118 - 2014-03-10 20:26:19 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
if they're doing all of that, then they're clearly not afk.


What part of the clearly marked "AFK" sections did you think are "clearly not afk"?

The activity does not require presence at the keyboard and the action required between AFKing for those durations, is measurable in a handful of seconds. Certainly less than 30s.
Dave Stark
#119 - 2014-03-10 20:30:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
if they're doing all of that, then they're clearly not afk.


What part of the clearly marked "AFK" sections did you think are "clearly not afk"?

The activity does not require presence at the keyboard and the action required between AFKing for those durations, is measurable in a handful of seconds. Certainly less than 30s.


nor does ratting.
also an activity not requiring interaction for a short period of time doesn't make it an afk activity, as demonstrated by the fact that there are very un-afk steps in your terrible example.
not to mention, if there are huge swarms as you claim the asteroids don't last long enough to go and take a **** much less be afk.

let's compare mining to ratting:

Arrive in system.
Target Ice. warp to anom
Activate Lazorz. drop drones
Set timer for when total yield=cargo capacity. move to next site
AFK. (Anywhere between around 15mins to 30mins) repeat
Timer is up.
Empty Ice into larger vessel.
Retarget Ice if necessary.
Set timer.
AFK.
Salvos Rhoska
#120 - 2014-03-10 20:35:31 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Trying to defend AFK Mining


Tell us, how many mining ships do you run simultaneously?

Are you afraid of your personal interests being in jeopardy here?