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PI Taxes?

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Endovior
PFU Consortium
#1 - 2011-11-29 18:48:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Endovior
Since I logged in shortly before the reboot, didn't have time to do much... but I did quickly notice the new and vastly increased taxes on import/export (in nullsec, from the Interbus Offices). I was given to understand that the prior tax rate was something like 5%, and Interbus would now be charging something like 17%.

Previously, doing an Import/Export to fuel one of my factory worlds cost 14k and 7k ISK. Just now, I noticed it cost 1.4 million ISK and 700k ISK... so essentially, instead of the tax rate merely tripling, as we were advised, it seems to have multiplied a hundredfold.

...That can't be working as intended.

EDIT: For those coming in late... apparently, the issue is that the base values were increased along with the tax rate, but CCP didn't advertise the base value increase as well as the tax rate increase, catching a bunch of people (myself included) off-guard. This thread is now about discussing your feelings on the changes, which are, apparently, working as intended.
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
#2 - 2011-11-29 18:52:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ancy Denaries
Endovior wrote:
Since I logged in shortly before the reboot, didn't have time to do much... but I did quickly notice the new and vastly increased taxes on import/export (in nullsec, from the Interbus Offices). I was given to understand that the prior tax rate was something like 5%, and Interbus would now be charging something like 17%.

Previously, doing an Import/Export to fuel one of my factory worlds cost 14k and 7k ISK. Just now, I noticed it cost 1.4 million ISK and 700k ISK... so essentially, instead of the tax rate merely tripling, as we were advised, it seems to have multiplied a hundredfold.

...That can't be working as intended.

*fails*

"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."

"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#3 - 2011-11-29 18:58:31 UTC
I laughed out loudly! This is MADNESS, CCP. With this PI supernerf, alot of POSs will be abandoned in no time. I am sorry but noone is willing to pay these amounts. What did you guys think?

PI has become endgame for the rich people out there.

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
Boris Ginnungagap
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-11-29 19:52:53 UTC
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:

PI has become endgame for the rich people out there.

Explain.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-11-29 19:56:32 UTC
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:
I laughed out loudly! This is MADNESS, CCP. With this PI supernerf, alot of POSs will be abandoned in no time. I am sorry but noone is willing to pay these amounts. What did you guys think?

PI has become endgame for the rich people out there.



Nullsec protected space people ?
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-11-29 19:57:53 UTC
Endovior wrote:
Since I logged in shortly before the reboot, didn't have time to do much... but I did quickly notice the new and vastly increased taxes on import/export (in nullsec, from the Interbus Offices). I was given to understand that the prior tax rate was something like 5%, and Interbus would now be charging something like 17%.

Previously, doing an Import/Export to fuel one of my factory worlds cost 14k and 7k ISK. Just now, I noticed it cost 1.4 million ISK and 700k ISK... so essentially, instead of the tax rate merely tripling, as we were advised, it seems to have multiplied a hundredfold.

...That can't be working as intended.


Agree,

I just spent close to 10mil just importing and exporting from 1 toon. That kinda math just seems way off.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-11-29 20:04:05 UTC
Now I can't remove PI products becuse they are no longer in my reach?
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#8 - 2011-11-29 20:05:11 UTC
If it's in low or null blow it up and make your own.

Tah-dah, no tax for you

The Drake is a Lie
Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-11-29 20:05:14 UTC
Uh... Go to nullsec, or even lowsec, and get better yields AND better taxes when you put up your POCO.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-29 20:13:23 UTC
Zagam wrote:
Uh... Go to nullsec, or even lowsec, and get better yields AND better taxes when you put up your POCO.



Uh, not really the point.

Anyone with an Interbus CO right now is already in low, null or a WH.

The issue is what is wrong. The interbus CO says the tax rate is 17%

Exporting 8360 electrolytes (3176 volume) is now costing 710,000. when before it was more like 12,000.

Try and figure out the math on that.

Oh and its a 700mil investment for me to switch to POCO's as well.
GhettoChick
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-11-29 20:18:39 UTC
try jet canning it off the planet
Clism
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-11-29 20:28:53 UTC
Endovior wrote:
Since I logged in shortly before the reboot, didn't have time to do much... but I did quickly notice the new and vastly increased taxes on import/export (in nullsec, from the Interbus Offices). I was given to understand that the prior tax rate was something like 5%, and Interbus would now be charging something like 17%.

Previously, doing an Import/Export to fuel one of my factory worlds cost 14k and 7k ISK. Just now, I noticed it cost 1.4 million ISK and 700k ISK... so essentially, instead of the tax rate merely tripling, as we were advised, it seems to have multiplied a hundredfold.

...That can't be working as intended.


This is exactly what I found, the tax was a lot higher than the patch notes implied it would be.
So instead of paying about 15,000 isk to harvest a planet, I paid 1.3 million isk.
That is out of whack and way too much. People like me that have to import and export find it very expensive now.
Prices for things like Robotics are going to get very expensive.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-11-29 20:29:36 UTC
GhettoChick wrote:
try jet canning it off the planet



Still missing the point.

According to the dev notes, High sec CO's switched to Concord owned and the tax doubled.

So if I were in HS, the stuff I exported yesterday for 12,0000 would have doubled to 24,000 today.

According to the notes, the interbus taxes would be "slightly higher" than concord.

Now maybe in iceland 700,000 is considered a slight increase. To me it seems like a decimal is off.

I'm all for building and deploying POCO's, but they still take time to build and implement.
GhettoChick
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-11-29 20:30:42 UTC
stop bitching about the taxes and go around them by jet canning
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#15 - 2011-11-29 20:31:24 UTC
GhettoChick wrote:
try jet canning it off the planet


This. Just use your command center until you can get your own POCO up.

Katrina Oniseki
pmchem
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-11-29 20:33:15 UTC
Working as intended. See this thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=33468&find=unread

Get ready for PI prices to rise and new economic opportunities.

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Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#17 - 2011-11-29 20:36:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Teamosil
GhettoChick wrote:
stop bitching about the taxes and go around them by jet canning


Jet canning charge appears to be almost the same. For example, exporting 333 coolant through the customs office costs 509k, jetcanning it costs 449k...

Guess I just need to set up POCOs
pmchem
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-11-29 20:41:40 UTC
I suggest you all refer to the "tax" section here:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-11-29 20:47:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Endovior wrote:
Since I logged in shortly before the reboot, didn't have time to do much... but I did quickly notice the new and vastly increased taxes on import/export (in nullsec, from the Interbus Offices). I was given to understand that the prior tax rate was something like 5%, and Interbus would now be charging something like 17%.

Previously, doing an Import/Export to fuel one of my factory worlds cost 14k and 7k ISK. Just now, I noticed it cost 1.4 million ISK and 700k ISK... so essentially, instead of the tax rate merely tripling, as we were advised, it seems to have multiplied a hundredfold.

...That can't be working as intended.



You cry baby bitches moaning about high sec players in NPC and low taxes are now crying because of 17% tax on PI ????

CRY ME A RIVER little Jimmy
Sebero Sinak
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-11-29 20:47:33 UTC
The tax rate in wormholes is 170% , i did the math. i am assuming nullsec is the same . That means it costs 1020 isk per m3 to export simple products like Consumer Electronics.

Yes pos fuels are going to go thru the atmosphere as relates to price.....they may even achieve escape velocity and leave orbit on thier way up.
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