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CSM Campaign who are you voting for?

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2014-03-10 16:17:19 UTC
Voted for Ripard an Malcanis last time... Dunno this year.

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#122 - 2014-03-10 16:36:45 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

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CCP is putting the character with the highest SP from each account onto the monument. Usually, but not always, that's the character people think of as their "main". It's true for the account Malcanis is on, but I have more than one account.

What if I clone jump down to hi-sec and vote? Can I vote for a hi-sec slot then? What if I have 2 or 3 accounts which I use for hi-sec activities? Are they allowed to vote under your system? If not, who will investigate each account and what determines eligibility?

What if fewer people want to be a "hi-sec CSM" than there are slots to fill?

First, i'm interested in your thoughts on if you think regional representation *should* be implemented or not. If not, why not.

My concern here is that despite all the folks trying to be all things to all people, ultimately what seems to typically get the focus in the CSM agenda is nullsec centric mechanics. Someone representing 'all' interests (with their heart in null), will never represent hisec as well as someone living and operating there.

i.e. A nullsec person who is aching for POS fixes or the like will simply NOT argue and push for wardec fixes as strongly as a hisec merc or pirate for example who lives there and relies on that mechanic daily...

In regards to how to implement, i'm not going to 100% solution in a forum -- but surely a penalty aspect could help filter out f#ckery? For example, someone running for a hisec seat would declare that their primary main account they play with (and they wish to run) lives and operates in hisec, and disclose all other accounts. CCP could vet it. Beyond that if its later found out the person misrepresented, all of his accounts would be summarily closed, biomassed, etc. Hopefully said CCP vetting & penalty would weed out those willing to roll the dice? Thats one idea, surely if the *will* exists to do this, a way can be devised to actually confirm a candidate operates predominantly in hisec?

Fewer people want to be hi-sec CSM than seats? I'd like to see that bridge crossed when it happens.

Ultimately here's the thing dude, you can come up with all sorts of reasons not to have regional representation, but the sad fact is until you do the CSM has the appearance of faux and sham democracy run by nullsec-minded blocs as a result.

Would you like to know more?
Anslo
Scope Works
#123 - 2014-03-10 16:51:30 UTC
Yes let's trust the high sec griefer to represent high sec versus Malcanis who actually has a decent high sec representation track record.

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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#124 - 2014-03-10 17:13:24 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
First, i'm interested in your thoughts on if you think regional representation *should* be implemented or not. If not, why not.

I'm not Malcanis but..

I don't think regional representation is the way to go. A region is just where you live, but what matters is what you do and what your mindset is.
Let me list some high sec candidates:
Psychotic Monk, Steve Ronuken, Mike Azariah, Mangala Solaris, Erotica 1, Lisara Khatam and depending on the contracts... Ali Aras and Psianh Auvyander..

They represent vastly different gameplay styles and mindsets and have very different areas of expertise. Some regulary play in other areas of space aswell. Mangala leads players to RvB Ganked roams across nullsec. Ali & Psianh are involved with HiSec contracts, but also nullsec contracts. Steve may be doing PI in lowsec (speculation).

I myself have lived 90% of my eve career in wormhole space. But at some point I was living in K-space. Then I mined in a HS pocket, did PI and exploration in the nearby lowsec and went on nullsec roams with the alliance and RvB Ganked.
Was I a hisec player because I had most stuff in a highsec station? Because then I still am, despite living in wspace.
Your Dad Naked
Doomheim
#125 - 2014-03-10 17:14:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Your Dad Naked
Last couple of pages is exactly why people should not vote for Malcanis this year.

Every discussion he gets into turns into a **** fest with people getting defensive on both sides. I've said this about a few others and I'll say it again here: He acts like an obnoxious, full of himself 16 year old. I acted almost identically on forums when I was that age.

His attitude is offensive and as such does not allow for ideas to be properly discussed when he is involved. As such I would ask those who consider him to be right on many occasions to also consider if they'd prefer to have a mature adult representing them instead.

Signed,
Your Dad Naked Shocked
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2014-03-10 17:15:00 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Yes let's trust the high sec griefer to represent high sec versus Malcanis who actually has a decent high sec representation track record.

who said we can only have one
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#127 - 2014-03-10 17:16:33 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Yes let's trust the high sec griefer to represent high sec versus Malcanis who actually has a decent high sec representation track record.

Well your use of the term 'griefer' alone should remove you from intelligent discourse, but I will bite and quote the man himself...

Malcanis wrote:

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Posted: 2011.10.25 21:41 | Report
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Introduction:

[Now at the moment, CCPs attention is on 0.0 - and rightly so. I 100% believe that this is the area of the game that most needs immediate attention for any number of good reasons. However, once the work on 0.0 is well underway (I don't say "complete" because such a process is never completed) I also believe that there is a strong argument to be made for rethinking the basis on which hi-sec is structured....


Like I said, all things to all people with a priority for nullsec.

I just have a dream, that everyone will get representation from people that primarily operate in their regions. The way things are today however, its just minor variations on nullsec bloc power consolidation. Tell me I am wrong.


Would you like to know more?
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2014-03-10 17:17:12 UTC
ps will be voting for highsec candidate psychotic monk
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#129 - 2014-03-10 17:27:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
First, i'm interested in your thoughts on if you think regional representation *should* be implemented or not. If not, why not.

I'm not Malcanis but..

I don't think regional representation is the way to go. A region is just where you live, but what matters is what you do and what your mindset is.
Let me list some high sec candidates:
Psychotic Monk, Steve Ronuken, Mike Azariah, Mangala Solaris, Erotica 1, Lisara Khatam and depending on the contracts... Ali Aras and Psianh Auvyander..
...

Therein lies the true crime of this faux democracy I mention, because excellent candidates like Psychotic Monk etc that you mention don't have a huge null alliance behind them, so they are less likely to get elected; not because they aren't good representatives of their game play and can't get votes, but because of the reality that hisec cats are harder to herd than nullsec bloc members...there is nullsec organizational bias built into the voting mechanism itself.

To pretend this isn't the case is farsical, one need only look at each years list of CSM members and where they primarily operate.

To this end (and with the majority of EvE's population in hisec), it only makes sense a good chunk of seats are reserved for hisec people exactly like you mentioned, to overcome the voting mechanism inequity.

Would you like to know more?
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#130 - 2014-03-10 17:46:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephira Galamore
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
.there is nullsec organizational bias built into the voting mechanism itself.

I think it was mostly removed with the introduction of STV and from what I heard they even want to remove the scripting advantage of the nullsec alliances by allowing everyone to share his ballots.

Also, I can tell you at least two hisec alliances that got a member elected before, Red Federation and Ivy League. It's just a matter of bothering to run.
Even Wspace corps, with extremly different attitudes, managed to get their **** together and elect 2, almost 3, candidates in the last election. Two very different candidates at that.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2014-03-10 17:56:36 UTC
not to mention dudes like two step and hans jaegerblitzen the year before
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#132 - 2014-03-10 18:18:26 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
First, i'm interested in your thoughts on if you think regional representation *should* be implemented or not. If not, why not.

I'm not Malcanis but..

I don't think regional representation is the way to go. A region is just where you live, but what matters is what you do and what your mindset is.
Let me list some high sec candidates:
Psychotic Monk, Steve Ronuken, Mike Azariah, Mangala Solaris, Erotica 1, Lisara Khatam and depending on the contracts... Ali Aras and Psianh Auvyander..
...

Therein lies the true crime of this faux democracy I mention, because excellent candidates like Psychotic Monk etc that you mention don't have a huge null alliance behind them, so they are less likely to get elected; not because they aren't good representatives of their game play and can't get votes, but because of the reality that hisec cats are harder to herd than nullsec bloc members...there is nullsec organizational bias built into the voting mechanism itself.

To pretend this isn't the case is farsical, one need only look at each years list of CSM members and where they primarily operate.

To this end (and with the majority of EvE's population in hisec), it only makes sense a good chunk of seats are reserved for hisec people exactly like you mentioned, to overcome the voting mechanism inequity.


This is a bit like saying that marathons are "inherently biased" towards people who can run fast for a long time.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#133 - 2014-03-10 18:24:32 UTC
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
.there is nullsec organizational bias built into the voting mechanism itself.

I think it was mostly removed with the introduction of STV and from what I heard they even want to remove the scripting advantage of the nullsec alliances by allowing everyone to share his ballots.

Also, I can tell you at least two hisec alliances that got a member elected before, Red Federation and Ivy League. It's just a matter of bothering to run.
Even Wspace corps, with extremly different attitudes, managed to get their **** together and elect 2, almost 3, candidates in the last election. Two very different candidates at that.


And W-space is what? 3% of the playerbase?

Seriously, there comes a point where people need to stop complaining about "unfairness" and "inherent bias" and take a look in the ******* mirror for the real problem.

People who don't vote - and even more importantly, spend considerable effort persuading others in their demographic not to vote - don't get represented because they've chosen not to be represented.

Feyd-Rautha is literally doing the CFC's work, spreading despair and apathy, doing his level best to persuade non-0.0 voters that there's no point even attempting to try and get CSM representation. Consider who's interests he's actually serving here.

Meanwhile, people like me and you consistently and frequently advise people to vote.

Seems like there's one group of people who actually care about getting representation for hi-sec, and another group that just want to make excuses and give up rather than even try. I think we can all see pretty clearly who's in which.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#134 - 2014-03-10 18:29:45 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
Voted for Ripard an Malcanis last time... Dunno this year.


Neither of us are running again, I'm afraid.

I unreservedly recommend Ali Aras, Mangala Solaris and Mike Azariah. Sugar Kyle seems like she'd make an effective lo-sec expert, and Steve Rounuken (sp?) would be a desperately needed advocate for the 3rd party app community, as well as a good empire-based voice of industry. Mynnna contributed a hell of a lot this year, not just to industry questions, but also to the ship balancing discussions.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#135 - 2014-03-10 19:08:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Malcanis wrote:
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Feyd-Rautha is literally doing the CFC's work, spreading despair and apathy, doing his level best to persuade non-0.0 voters that there's no point even attempting to try and get CSM representation. Consider who's interests he's actually serving here.

Meanwhile, people like me and you consistently and frequently advise people to vote.

Seems like there's one group of people who actually care about getting representation for hi-sec, and another group that just want to make excuses and give up rather than even try. I think we can all see pretty clearly who's in which.


Well, if you are going to go all political spin and ad-hominem on my arse, questioning my motivations, allow me to retort...

I am not trying to convince people not to vote, I am simply saying the CSM is a sham of faux democracy given every single CSM is stacked with nullsec-centric representation. Until there are seats reserved by region, the CSM is a nullsec dominated farce in practice.

Who's interests am I serving? I was trying to serve the under-represented hisec person, the same way functional democracies like Canada today have got regional seat allocation based on population *working*. Its not impossible, you just need the will to do it. And yes, wormholers make up a 'distinct society' just like Quebec, and should have a reserved seat also...

In your own words you said nullsec was your priority, and I believe you.
When you denounce my attempt to increase hisec representation I REALLY believe you.

Forgive me if I don't think nullsec candidates claims of being able to "also speak for hisec" would ever be as robust, as from someone who actually lives their EvE career there. I am saying 'no taxation without representation', you are saying 'the colonies should continue to kiss king George's ring..."

Yeah, George Washington...thats who I am. George..Fricken..Washington...

Would you like to know more?
Salvos Rhoska
#136 - 2014-03-10 19:11:16 UTC
I'll vote for whoever pays me to vote for them.

I mean, this is EVE, right?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#137 - 2014-03-10 19:17:53 UTC
I will pluck one nose hair for each candidate on the list. The ones with the longest hairs get my vote.

Mr Epeen Cool
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#138 - 2014-03-10 19:22:33 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:


I am not trying to convince people not to vote, I am simply saying the CSM is a sham of faux democracy given every single CSM is stacked with nullsec-centric representation. Until there are seats reserved by region, the CSM is a nullsec dominated farce in practice...


Roll

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
samualvimes
Brothers At Arms
#139 - 2014-03-10 19:25:28 UTC
I don't know about you but I'm going to vote for whoever looks to want to improve the game as a whole.

NOT whoever has the best monocle

NOT whoever lives in the area I live in

NOT whoever has the inclination to nerf the areas I don't approve of

NOT whoever is not a goon

NOT whoever is someone who's never set foot out of hi-sec

Someone who's policies and and ideas seem measured and well reasoned NOT because their motives align with my own.

PS I am an ex null living in low utilising high sec for my marketing and manufacturing needs

If you've never tried PvP in EvE it's quite possible you've missed out on one of the greatest rushes available in modern gaming.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#140 - 2014-03-10 19:35:26 UTC
How did this get so crazy. Anyone have a list of who is running?

I've checked out some of the folk that I've seen mentioned on here, they are pretty good. Plus that Steve Ronuken seems pretty squared away. He'll get a vote from me.

I was never issued an tinfoil hat, maybe one of you can lend me yours?