Intergalactic Summit

'Hospitality'?!
After they crashed their supercarriers into our stations?
After they defaced ancient relics on Caldari Prime?
After they bombed our planet?
After they occupied it... twice?
After they attacked our titan on low orbit of our planet to crashland it?

Just blast these gallenteans out from our planet, burn every one of them and rain down their burnt bodies from orbit to villore or gallente prime!

That sort of 'hospitality' they deserve.

This Andreus is just a deluded gallentean kid. There is no even real reason to argue with him. Just blast him on sight, if he will dare to undock, and deal with it. He won't say anything worth anyway.

And I agree with you, that this "treaty" is insulting and a borderline treason against Caldari people. We should have never let gallenteans do it, and just blast the heck them out from the system. Burn whole gallente prime, if it will be necessary, but we shouldn't let them dictate us what to do with our planets.

Let those, who signed this treaty, always have their names covered in shame!

You did attacked loyal Caldari patriots in the Haatomo solar system, many of them weren't capsuleers. Besides, by destroying capsuleer ship you destroy most of ship crew as well.

Or maybe you would like to deny it now?

Oh, and killing capsuleer is way harder that destroying a ship, you need rather good scanres to catch the pod, or very timely activation of smartbombs...

I've always found talking to Provists just a little bit off-putting, because even when they talk to you it never feels like they're actually holding a conversation with you. Their responses never seem to line up with what you actually say so much as they seem to be retorts to an imaginary statement that just so happens to contain whatever combination of words allow them to make whatever point they seemed to want to make. I mean, Provists aren't the only ones who exhibit this unsettling condition by a long shot (it's particularly common among Sani Sabik and EoM cultists, for instance) but they do seem to be the most obvious about it. Sometimes you'll bring up a factor that entirely obviates the point they were trying to make, and they'll just keep trying to make the same point as if they simply can't process the information. Observe Horn's continued insistance that Caldari citizens are being randomly targetted by the Federal Navy in Luminaire when nothing of the sort is happening - he continues to insist that they're dying in droves when this is quite demonstrably not the case.

Say what you like about the validity of Amarrian arguments, if you confront them with conflicting evidence they'll at least acknowledge that you brought it up, even if it won't change their minds.

Im my first statement i said Caldari citizens who had bad security status with the Federation are being attacked by the Federation navy in the Luminaire solar system. This is not acceptable anymore. Wether we have good or bad standing within the Federation Caldari citizens need to be protected from the Federation navy ,when travelling in the Luminaire solar system. In most cases travelling to and from our homeworld. Yes Caldari are hostile to the Gallente and vice versa. Gallente on the homeworld are hostile to our population there. We have guaranteed their safety , should we not be afforded the same guarantee when travelling in the solar system. Dual sov in the solar system like dual sov on the planet would make this possible.

Your constant denials that the Federation navy are not killing Caldari travelling to and from the homeworld in the solar system are so incredulous. Do you think this killing is likely to help a long and lasting peace on the homeworld Andreus.

It is attitudes like yours through the ages Andreus where the Caldari nationalist have learnt the futility of diplomacy when dealing with the Gallente as opposed to the effectiveness of guns.

Not only no but, hell no. Others have already pointed out why this is a nonsensical and bad idea so, I won't belabor the point.

On another note, why should anyone take anything you say seriously on matters of peace or diplomacy Pilot Horn? Your support for the Provists and radical imperials automatically make your motives suspect.

My point about you quite evidently not replying to the statements that were actually made but to an imaginary series of statements that allows you to make whatever point you wish to make has never been demonstrated better than by this post.

Firstly: your couching of this statement was deeply deceptive, as it attempts to imply that Caldari citizens other than capsuleers are being attacked by the Federal Navy, which is absolutely not the case. Only capsuleers are being attacked, and of capsuleers only those with severely negative Federation standings attempting to operate in Federation space.

Secondly: It is absolutely acceptable for a sovereign nation to defend itself from those who have in the past - and in your case, continue - to act directly hostile to its interests. The Federation most certainly has a right to defend itself.

Thirdly: Stop couching your personal problems as problems that a majority of Caldari are suffering from. No non-capsuleer Caldari citizen has anything to fear from the Federal Navy as long as they aren't onboard a warship operating in Federation space without Federal approval. Loyal Caldari capsuleer citizens such as Verin Haktain - who, it should be noted, do not have a notably negative standing with the Federation - can travel in Luminaire without any trouble. Those capsuleer citizens of the State who are members of the militia but not intentionally disingenuous Provist stooges - say, Pieter Tuulinen, Veikitamo Gesakaarin, etc. etc. - cannot enter high-security Federation space without being targetted by Naval forces but also aren't stupid enough to complain about it when they are.

I've stated before how you might go about visiting the Luminaire system without risk - drop your association with the State Protectorate, repair your damaged standing with the Federation and visit to your heart's desire. If you can't put in the effort to follow these simple instructions, it is not the Senate's duty to make life easier for you.


No, what it would do is give the State something that, as previously stated at great length, it is not and has never been entitled to. There is no problem that exists outside of your self-obsessed imagination that granting the State dual sovereignty in Luminaire would fix. Your allegience and past actions have caused you inconvenience and now you want the Federation to establish a very, very dangerous precedent by ceding control of one of its core systems to a foreign power.

We all know that in a year you'd just make a new thread complaining about how you always get shot at by the Federation Navy when you fly through Algogille when you go to visit Luminaire, so oops, better give Caldari State dual-sov in that system, too!


Please have the decency not to associate yourself with legitimate Caldari nationalists. You forefitted that right when you continued to support a terrorist organisation and the traitor who nearly ruined the State. Likewise, statements about the - ahem - "futility of diplomacy" are painfully ironic coming from you.

Incidentally, my attitude has nothing to do with the Senate's decision, and in any case, it's immaterial - I'm not stating an opinion, I'm stating a fact. Dual-sovereignty will not happen in Luminaire. Not ever. I don't need to make assumptions or educated guesses - this idea is preposterous, no senator would suggest it, the CEP wouldn't suggest it and even if the motion was tabled it'd get shot down by the Senate faster than an honour-tanked Hulk in B-R.

No.

.... or you can see it as proving grounds, where the weak are bound to fail. Managing a controlled state of mobilization and units collecting combat experience is beneficial to the overall health of the armed forces, without the majority of the costs, such as attrition, an all-out war demands.

Regarding your choice of words regarding some, I'd like to point out that it is not possible to purge provists out of capsuleer ranks, and I'm quite positive that there's a distinction between those and other who see themselves as defenders, or more astutely, weapons of the State.

Maybe your contact with too many jaaiji has made you weak, Stitcher, or maybe you've suffered too many losses in your life and only notice the downsides. I'm not in disagreement about the value of maneuvers and simulation, and the need to keep manpower costs low, but if it's war - and the question of our sovereignity - we're talking about, not just in light of a federation ruled by its military-industrial complex, but also other external and even internal threats, we have to be willing to carry these costs.

Do question the means with which this conflict is fought over, but do not question the mission. If you're not willing to risk or sacrifice anything, you're not going to get results, as weakness only gives birth to weakness. Regarding your fondness of theoretical experience, let us keep in mind that during the time this conflict has gone cold, all this mass of training has done little to give us an edge. Now, I can't prove you otherwise, but based on my experience facing adversity and returning as a survivor beats any training. Training and drill increases the quote of those returning.