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CCP is not banning BOTs?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-03-10 14:39:17 UTC
Or simply gather a posse in Tornadoes to direct your wrath towards him in the form of a volley of 1400mm arties

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GiantJack
Scandium Defense and Security Inc.
Sleeper Protocol
#62 - 2014-03-10 14:42:08 UTC
Andski wrote:
Or simply gather a posse in Tornadoes to direct your wrath towards him in the form of a volley of 1400mm arties

yes we will do it... was planed for yesterday but a WH action interrupted us... maybe this week or next weekend
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#63 - 2014-03-10 14:47:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Andski wrote:
Batelle wrote:
If you aren't RMTing your botted isk, and if you aren't modifying the client directly, I don't think CCP gives a damn.


That's a lie. Market bots have insane advantages over players who manually update their orders. Mining, mission, anomaly and belt ratting bots use a lot more server resources than the typical player. Mining and non-mission ratting bots take up limited in-game resources (asteroids, ice, anomalies) that would otherwise be used by rule-abiding players. All of these types of bots generate huge amounts of wealth for those who run them and that wealth drives up in-game commodity prices, especially PLEX. All of these things are bad for the rule-abiding player's game experience, which is bad for CCP, whether the botters RMT or otherwise.


If you're going to write, "that's a lie," then you should make sure to actually read the post you're quoting.

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Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp
#64 - 2014-03-10 14:53:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Jita
Why would you want to get him banned when you can steal his stuff and get him stuck in a mission all day? That sounds hilarious.
I would literally get him stuck every day then keep checking back every so often and have a nice chuckle to myself. After I got bored of that, I would get some peeps together and concord his ass with some tornadoes.
GiantJack
Scandium Defense and Security Inc.
Sleeper Protocol
#65 - 2014-03-10 14:55:08 UTC
Lord Jita wrote:
Why would you want to get him banned when you can steal his stuff and get him stuck in a mission all day? That sounds hilarious.
I would literally get him stuck then keep checking back every hour or two and have a nice chuckle.

sounds u dont know most missions have no mission loot
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#66 - 2014-03-10 15:06:21 UTC
Abyss Azizora wrote:


Issue is, all well-made bots use human-like behavior now, with varied delays between actions. It's almost impossible to detect a bot without trying to get a written response or some response that the bot isn't expecting.

Edit: Hell, an old corpmate had such an amazing bot that it actually accepted convos, and would look for keywords, then give the closest response possible, and if it didn't see any, it would write "I don't understand you" in some barely used language. The creativity used in making bots, usually exceeds average player intelligence nowadays.


sad part is that I believe it to be true

I watch youtube of World of Warcraft about issue with bots in BG.

one video show each side have 6 bots in 10 vs 10 Battleground

bots engage with basic combat and 2 ability on random timer.

since they don't die from simple basic combat due to self-healing plus 1 healing bot. they just stand there for entire battle with no death.

when I quit WoW, players said it was verge at point where there are more leecher bots than actual players where amount of honor point (PVP currency) is almost nothing due to what I mention about video.

I personally watch some bots act more intelligent than average players by actual respond to node that is under attack by enemy team instead stand in middle of road.
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-03-10 15:10:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mandarine
Andski wrote:
Mandarine wrote:
Omg yes that would be so hard to compartimentalize and we all know CCP has no close ties to any alliances whatsoever nor could they get a stealth cut from the profits.

That really makes a lot of sense, sorry for this crazy thinking about the wholesomest of alliances in the wholesomest of gaming communities out there.


Ahahaha you think that CCP would take a "stealth cut" from a business they could engage in themselves while taking all of the profits

Please share more of your brilliant business acumen



They already do, that´s called PLEX. But that is CCP´s revenue, not stealth personal profit for devs in the know.

And why would they spend time developing stealth RMT strategies, when there are gamers who are already doing it? they just have to turn a blind eye, ask for some share, and ban those they don´t like.

That you don´t think it´s possible and been happening for some time only shows that you´re either a liar or an imbecile.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-03-10 15:14:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Mandarine wrote:
They already do, that´s called PLEX. But that is CCP´s revenue, not stealth personal profit for devs in the know.

And why would they spend time developing stealth RMT strategies, when there are gamers who are already doing it? they just have to turn a blind eye, ask for some share, and ban those they don´t like.

That you don´t think it´s possible and been happening for some time only shows that you´re either a liar or an imbecile.


brilliant

you're suggesting that CCP employees would risk not just their jobs, but their careers in the gaming industry to engage in a business that makes pitiful profits and take in even more pitiful cuts of said profits

brilliant, enlighten us some more. maybe you even know enough about this to take your evidence forward to CCP IA and CCP's security team because clearly you, the NPC alt, are very well-informed on these matters

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Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2014-03-10 15:22:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mandarine
I´m suggesting that in a game that showcases the most toxic and hateful community of all online video games ever, and which has strong hints of RMT, if the company that runs the game is pretty happy with the vitriol in its community, and doesn´t seem to do much about bots, it may very well be because they enjoy that the stakes are high (so that some RL rich people invest RL money to try and rule some part of New Eden) and have some kind of arrangements with the botting community.

I read more bizarre stuff that involved russian maffias and the icelandic government some time ago: There´s no smoke without fire.

And about pitiful profits... 1T isk is in the 30k$ range. Which big time alliance doesn´t pull 1T monthly?
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#70 - 2014-03-10 15:26:20 UTC
I've seen some furious wheel-spinning tinfoil sperg in my time, but this is something else.

How deep does this rabbit hole of mental illness go?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#71 - 2014-03-10 15:32:20 UTC
Mandarine wrote:
I´m suggesting that in a game that showcases the most toxic and hateful community of all online video games ever, and which has strong hints of RMT, if the company that runs the game is pretty happy with the vitriol in its community, and doesn´t seem to do much about bots, it may very well be because they enjoy that the stakes are high and have some kind of arrangements with the botting community.

I read more bizarre stuff that involved russian maffias and the icelandic government some time ago: There´s no smoke without fire.


except your little conspiracy theory falls flat because any of the parties that are involved according to the arrangement of rat entrails, the voices or whatever could easily turn around and expose the whole scheme, especially in a game like this where allegiances shift like the tide

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#72 - 2014-03-10 15:32:42 UTC
Mandarine wrote:
I´m suggesting that in a game that showcases the most toxic and hateful community of all online video games ever, and which has strong hints of RMT, if the company that runs the game is pretty happy with the vitriol in its community, and doesn´t seem to do much about bots, it may very well be because they enjoy that the stakes are high (so that some RL rich people invest RL money to try and rule some part of New Eden) and have some kind of arrangements with the botting community.

I read more bizarre stuff that involved russian maffias and the icelandic government some time ago: There´s no smoke without fire.

And about pitiful profits... 1T isk is in the 30k$ range. Which big time alliance doesn´t pull 1T monthly?


Pants, meet head.

You are literally ********.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#73 - 2014-03-10 15:38:56 UTC
Mandarine wrote:
And about pitiful profits... 1T isk is in the 30k$ range. Which big time alliance doesn´t pull 1T monthly?


see here's the problem: every big time alliance has big time expenses and they'd have to really pull the wool over everyone's heads to hide that level of theft

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Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-03-10 15:43:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Mandarine
Andski wrote:
Mandarine wrote:
I´m suggesting that in a game that showcases the most toxic and hateful community of all online video games ever, and which has strong hints of RMT, if the company that runs the game is pretty happy with the vitriol in its community, and doesn´t seem to do much about bots, it may very well be because they enjoy that the stakes are high and have some kind of arrangements with the botting community.

I read more bizarre stuff that involved russian maffias and the icelandic government some time ago: There´s no smoke without fire.


except your little conspiracy theory falls flat because any of the parties that are involved according to the arrangement of rat entrails, the voices or whatever could easily turn around and expose the whole scheme, especially in a game like this where allegiances shift like the tide


Parties involved exposing themselves as parties involved, would make some great publicity in the video game community in which reputation quality and bad mouthing are prevalent.

Also, to think that seemingly conflicting parties wouldn´t agree on some important yet hidden business is kinda funny. Did you really believe the defecting BoB director fairytale too?


The epidermic reactions to this suggesting RMT deals are enlightening, because some of them are genuine, and hint at something.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#75 - 2014-03-10 15:46:07 UTC
and really if a CCP employee was involved in that kind of thing that begs the question: why wouldn't they simply quietly spawn assets to do all of it themselves (and keep 100% of the profits, rather than a pitiful cut) instead of cutting deals with third parties while having to pull the wool over the heads of management staff, the entire GM team, IA, and the security team?

again, your conspiracy theory falls flat on its face

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Doomheim
#76 - 2014-03-10 15:51:01 UTC
If that player is really a bot, can't you just report and move on? I mean, what can we do for you, my dear OP.
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2014-03-10 15:52:05 UTC
Because spawning assets shows up in logs. Turning a blind eye to certain select potential botters (or telling them how to not get caught), shows up nowhere, and there´s very little wool to pull over anyone´s eyes.

Not to suggest that in such a nice game filled with nice people, and encouraged to be very nice to others by the company running the game, some higher-ups would get as low as this.

Why are you still answering if this is crazy talk? Do you usually debate crazy people?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#78 - 2014-03-10 15:58:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Mandarine wrote:
Because spawning assets shows up in logs. Turning a blind eye to certain select potential botters (or telling them how to not get caught), shows up nowhere, and there´s very little wool to pull over anyone´s eyes.


The security team consists of CCP Stillman, CCP Peligro, CCP Doppel and GM Grimmi. So that's a minimum of four sets of eyes to pull wool over. Like I said, anybody who is smart enough to hide this level of collusion wouldn't need to collude with players.

Mandarine wrote:
Why are you still answering if this is crazy talk? Do you usually debate crazy people?


Yes, it's fun.

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Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2014-03-10 16:06:00 UTC
Andski wrote:
Mandarine wrote:
Because spawning assets shows up in logs. Turning a blind eye to certain select potential botters (or telling them how to not get caught), shows up nowhere, and there´s very little wool to pull over anyone´s eyes.


The security team consists of CCP Stillman, CCP Peligro, CCP Doppel and GM Grimmi. So that's four sets of eyes to pull wool over.


All of four people. Wow! are they icelandic?

Plus, internal audits are always impartial and cannot be swayed, as we all know. Thnaks for making absolutely clear that there is zero possibility of stealth RMT shenaningans in CCP or big alliances.

I guess that explains why the stakes are so low and why alliance leaders take things so very casually.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#80 - 2014-03-10 16:06:12 UTC
oh yes, much more likely that there is massive collusion and deception going on...

Not at all a remote possibility that there is an 'arms race' between botters and CCP in terms of detection...no, that would be TOO SIMPLE.

The voices in my head tell me it's all a conspiracy

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