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Ship Skins the new Monocle?

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-03-10 12:47:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
SpaceSaft wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
Kom Bocket wrote:
Use plex, no rl money spent for you


That was an argument made in the dev blog. It is true I could buy a plex, but then some one else is paying for a feature that should be free.

any reasons for this feature to be free?


If it were free people would actually use it. Like this it's a total vanity thing for a small amount of people, exactly those who like the skins AND are willing to pay significantly more every time they lose a ship of that type. Initially people might buy one or two but why bother if it raises your frigate costs by 500% in the long run?


Even if it weren't free, it's still a vanity thing. Ship skinning serves no functional purpose to your game. You also have to remember that this particular model of skinning is the pilot model to determine popularity. Our wallets will literally be doing the talking, and that is what CCP wants to see, what we're willing to spend and how many of us are willing to spend it. I don't see anything wrong with a little research before going ahead and implementing a full-feature ship skinning model at the potential expense of very unhappy customers.

For the record, I intend to buy them all, and hit up an incursion or two for the Comet skin.

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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#42 - 2014-03-10 12:55:22 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
SpaceSaft wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
Kom Bocket wrote:
Use plex, no rl money spent for you


That was an argument made in the dev blog. It is true I could buy a plex, but then some one else is paying for a feature that should be free.

any reasons for this feature to be free?


If it were free people would actually use it. Like this it's a total vanity thing for a small amount of people, exactly those who like the skins AND are willing to pay significantly more every time they lose a ship of that type. Initially people might buy one or two but why bother if it raises your frigate costs by 500% in the long run?


Even if it weren't free, it's still a vanity thing. Ship skinning serves no functional purpose to your game. You also have to remember that this particular model of skinning is the pilot model to determine popularity. Our wallets will literally be doing the talking, and that is what CCP wants to see, what we're willing to spend and how many of us are willing to spend it. I don't see anything wrong with a little research before going ahead and implementing a full-feature ship skinning model at the potential expense of very unhappy customers.

For the record, I intend to buy them all, and hit up an incursion or two for the Comet skin.


^ that minus the last sentence since I for one don't give a frapping frag about different colored top-wingy-bits. Smile
Corp logo's…. maybe, the rest is just fluff.
Markku Laaksonen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-03-10 12:58:02 UTC
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
rant about how stuff should be free


My favorite is the way that vanity items don't do a damn thing to enrich any kind of game play experience.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#44 - 2014-03-10 12:58:33 UTC
If you dislike the idea of pouring extra money into a game which you already pay a premium subscription for, simply buy as many of the comets as you can. This will skew the numbers in favour of "in game effort only" versus "bought with Aurum."

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-03-10 13:01:39 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
top-wingy-bits. Smile


They have a name you know.

Also, I like a bit of fluff. I prefer individualisation, and unique customisation, but, I'll take what I can get.

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Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#46 - 2014-03-10 13:02:48 UTC
*note to self

Pay 2 Plex to have the Char of my choice moved to a brand new account (cost involved here too) for the sole purpose of inclusion on the Monument, THEN, pay another plex just to exchange for Aurum so as to color said char's ship.

Dual char training is due in both 4 days and then another 22 days -another 2 Plex, then add on the subscription for the 2 existing accounts -another 2 Plex.

Getting a tad expensive eh? Might as well just be P2W Sad

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2014-03-10 13:05:32 UTC
Faenir Antollare wrote:
*note to self

Pay 2 Plex to have the Char of my choice moved to a brand new account (cost involved here too) for the sole purpose of inclusion on the Monument, THEN, pay another plex just to exchange for Aurum so as to color said char's ship.

Dual char training is due in both 4 days and then another 22 days -another 2 Plex, then add on the subscription for the 2 existing accounts -another 2 Plex.

Getting a tad expensive eh? Might as well just be P2W Sad


None of what you're paying for there makes it easier to win.

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Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#48 - 2014-03-10 13:08:22 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Faenir Antollare wrote:
*note to self

Pay 2 Plex to have the Char of my choice moved to a brand new account (cost involved here too) for the sole purpose of inclusion on the Monument, THEN, pay another plex just to exchange for Aurum so as to color said char's ship.

Dual char training is due in both 4 days and then another 22 days -another 2 Plex, then add on the subscription for the 2 existing accounts -another 2 Plex.

Getting a tad expensive eh? Might as well just be P2W Sad


None of what you're paying for there makes it easier to win.



I said it was getting a tad expensive and that it "might" as well just be pay to win for the £££'s involved :)

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-03-10 13:18:35 UTC
Faenir Antollare wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Faenir Antollare wrote:
*note to self

Pay 2 Plex to have the Char of my choice moved to a brand new account (cost involved here too) for the sole purpose of inclusion on the Monument, THEN, pay another plex just to exchange for Aurum so as to color said char's ship.

Dual char training is due in both 4 days and then another 22 days -another 2 Plex, then add on the subscription for the 2 existing accounts -another 2 Plex.

Getting a tad expensive eh? Might as well just be P2W Sad


None of what you're paying for there makes it easier to win.



I said it was getting a tad expensive and that it "might" as well just be pay to win for the £££'s involved :)


I understand, but, it's still your choice to pay it. And by paying it, you are telling CCP that you want it, and agree with the price.

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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
#50 - 2014-03-10 13:43:17 UTC
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
Having to purchase ship skins using Aurum is a bad idea. The community for a long time has asked for this feature. It should have been apart of the game a long time ago. The lack of customizable aesthetic features in eve have been appalling. While I am excited about the possibility of maybe changing a ships colors, I will not be paying RL money for a feature that should be free, so that I can fly a slightly different looking ship into battle, all the while paying a monthly subscription fee to play. I have been a loyal player for over 5+ years but I think due to the already lack of customizable aesthetic features, CCP the least you could do is offer it for free!!!!!

P.S. for those of you who do not know

" In the first release of the pilot program we will be introducing eight skins available for Aurum, and one available exclusively through in-game achievement."

"Frigate paint; around 45 AURUM (~$0.23-$0.26) for a single application
Battleship paint; around 350 AURUM (~$1.75-$2.00) for a single application"


This is a PILOT (i.e. TRIAL).
There are skins you can get for LP without AURUM.
AURUM bought skins can be sold on market/contracts for ISK.
OP is a MORON who need to STFU.
Victor Andall
#51 - 2014-03-10 13:44:48 UTC
Faenir Antollare wrote:
*note to self

Pay 2 Plex to have the Char of my choice moved to a brand new account (cost involved here too) for the sole purpose of inclusion on the Monument, THEN, pay another plex just to exchange for Aurum so as to color said char's ship.

Dual char training is due in both 4 days and then another 22 days -another 2 Plex, then add on the subscription for the 2 existing accounts -another 2 Plex.

Getting a tad expensive eh? Might as well just be P2W Sad


Aside from everything you just said not being even remotely required by anything except by your whims.

Why is everyone whining about needing Aurum to paint the ships?

Have you checked Aurum prices on the EVE market yet?

https://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=32792

There, two frigate paint jobs for what is essentially pocket change.

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Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#52 - 2014-03-10 13:51:19 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
Faenir Antollare wrote:
*note to self

Pay 2 Plex to have the Char of my choice moved to a brand new account (cost involved here too) for the sole purpose of inclusion on the Monument, THEN, pay another plex just to exchange for Aurum so as to color said char's ship.

Dual char training is due in both 4 days and then another 22 days -another 2 Plex, then add on the subscription for the 2 existing accounts -another 2 Plex.

Getting a tad expensive eh? Might as well just be P2W Sad


Aside from everything you just said not being even remotely required by anything except by your whims.

Why is everyone whining about needing Aurum to paint the ships?

Have you checked Aurum prices on the EVE market yet?

https://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=32792

There, two frigate paint jobs for what is essentially pocket change.



Where was the whine :p

Merely highlighting the direction Eve has been travelling in just the last few months alone. There are none as blind as them that wont see.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#53 - 2014-03-10 13:57:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
EDIT: I actually don't really care, my post sounded apathetic and did not add anything to the discussion.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#54 - 2014-03-10 14:37:28 UTC
Faenir Antollare wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:
Faenir Antollare wrote:
*note to self

Pay 2 Plex to have the Char of my choice moved to a brand new account (cost involved here too) for the sole purpose of inclusion on the Monument, THEN, pay another plex just to exchange for Aurum so as to color said char's ship.

Dual char training is due in both 4 days and then another 22 days -another 2 Plex, then add on the subscription for the 2 existing accounts -another 2 Plex.

Getting a tad expensive eh? Might as well just be P2W Sad


Aside from everything you just said not being even remotely required by anything except by your whims.

Why is everyone whining about needing Aurum to paint the ships?

Have you checked Aurum prices on the EVE market yet?

https://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=32792

There, two frigate paint jobs for what is essentially pocket change.



Where was the whine :p

Merely highlighting the direction Eve has been travelling in just the last few months alone. There are none as blind as them that wont see.

I just want to take a moment to point something out.

EVE hasn't had an increase in it's subscription cost for over 10 years (read never). If CCP feels the need to up their revenue stream a bit I'd much rather it be for those that choose to cut to the chase and just buy some AURUM for some bling (instead of using ISK), since the alternative would be a subscription increase for everyone.

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Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#55 - 2014-03-10 14:42:40 UTC
A ten year trend then v`s the trend of the last few months. So just what does the future hold ?
I will say one thing that is true in all lines of buisness and that is that the price NEVER goes down.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2014-03-10 15:46:50 UTC
Faenir Antollare wrote:
A ten year trend then v`s the trend of the last few months. So just what does the future hold ?
I will say one thing that is true in all lines of buisness and that is that the price NEVER goes down.


Well, that's a very absolute statement. Care to back that up with some evidence, especially considering how often prices go down quite often?

In fact, when you take a course in business, one of the things you learn is how to raise AND lower your prices efficiently. In practice, if you cannot do both efficiently, you will fail.

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Serene Repose
#57 - 2014-03-10 15:59:03 UTC
At first I was ready to be outraged. Then, I recalled, CCP sold out a long time ago. Go profit motive!

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#58 - 2014-03-10 16:04:19 UTC
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
Frigate paint; around 45 AURUM (~$0.23-$0.26) for a single application
Battleship paint; around 350 AURUM (~$1.75-$2.00) for a single application


That's not even close to the monocle which was 80€ in RL money if I remember right. And, by the way, one of the most sold items in the NEX store, just so you know.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#59 - 2014-03-10 16:05:49 UTC
And this is why we can't have nice stuff.

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Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#60 - 2014-03-10 16:48:27 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Faenir Antollare wrote:
A ten year trend then v`s the trend of the last few months. So just what does the future hold ?
I will say one thing that is true in all lines of buisness and that is that the price NEVER goes down.


Well, that's a very absolute statement. Care to back that up with some evidence, especially considering how often prices go down quite often?

In fact, when you take a course in business, one of the things you learn is how to raise AND lower your prices efficiently. In practice, if you cannot do both efficiently, you will fail.



I cannot as you suggest "quote" that statement, my bad eloquence is stating it as such, yet, the principle does hold true as a given buisness ethic.
Having been moderately successful in my buisness endeavors and retired (family reasons) before I was 40 I genuinely cannot recall one time when the price(s) was ever lowered other than the acquisition of cheaper materials and labor that made it viable to cut the overheads, yes the costs came down (a minimal profit impact) but the price for the actual job was never ever lowered once.
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