EVE General Discussion

No, I don't have an exact number, but I'll turn that right back at you. Do you have a number? Do you think it's zero?

From the defensive and desperate tone of your post, I suspect that you're perfectly well aware that the real percentage is higher than you're comfortable thinking about.

I don't know of a single nullsec player who doesn't have at least 1 alt in hi-sec. Most, like me, actually have more characters in empire than they do in nullsec. Some have a lot of character in empire.

You asked if I had a good guess. I sure do:

I'd say it was a very conservative assumption to say for every character in 0.0 there is at least one hi-sec "alt". That means that somewhere between a quarter and a third of hi-sec is actually "0.0 players".

(And incidentally, that figure alone demonstrates how meaningless it is to talk about "hi-sec players" or "0.0 players".)

Yep. I can instantly point to Mynnna, Ali, Mike, Trebor and my good self as CSM8 members who have made strong arguments to defend hi-sec. Indeed, I have only recently strongly defended a hi-sec player. Ali has been a tireless advocate for new player issues, which are strongly correlated with hi-sec. Mike has repeatedly offered useful insights and advice to promote the casual & RP perspectives in discussions with CCP. Mynnna was extremely useful in explaining the reality of economic integration between hi-sec and 0.0. And so on.

Of course we've all also made strong arguments to defend 0.0 too on occasion.

Sorry that the CSM doesn't match with your simplistic concept of an adversarial "sec party"-based parliament where we sit around yelling "grrr hi-sec" and "grrr nullsec!" at each other. I realise that it's a terrible burden to expect you to understand that the reality is a little more complex than that, but there it is, I can only give you the facts.


PS I know full well that by "hi-sec", you in particular mean "safe and uninterrupted PvE grinding with no non-consensual PvP", and I hope you know full well that my concept of hi-sec is rather wider. No, no one defends safe and uninterrupted hi-sec grinding with no non-consensual PvP. I'd say "sorry" for that too, but I don't feel that you're worth lying to.

More than zero, less than one hundred. I asked you a question and your response was to ask me the same question. A nice parry, but it does not dodge the point. If you are going to talk about numbers then you should actually have those numbers on hand, otherwise your claims are nothing more than conjecture at best and wishful thinking at worst.



From the defensive and desperate tone of yours, I suspect that it may be lower that you are comfortable thinking about. See how easy this is?



So because you do it that must mean everyone must do it. Audience, I give you nullsec thinking in a nutshell.



Oh dear... so instead of 72% divided by 50% then I should have used 72% divided by something between 25% and 33%? So the actual number is even lower than my original guess? Which, in turn, would mean even more CSMs should be representing hisec interests than I originally claimed.

Well, I certainly appreciate you helping my argument. That was very generous of you.



Fixed that for you.

Monk.

Ero.

Haven't really decided on a third quite yet.

2 killboard links and a *chuckle*, Massively article about one more kill.

Oh, yeah, that put me in my place alright. I bow before your superior skill at conspiracy theory.

Oh, and hey, Malcanis? She's claiming that I'm you. Doesn't saying that still violate the new terms of service?

one's in niarja, the other in lowsec

i have no idea why concord took so long to respond

Everybody is me

That low sec market hub chick, whatshername.

So your saying CCP can't distinguish between a main and an alt?

Um, isn't CCP already planning on just putting 'mains' on the monument. So if they can identify 'mains' for the monument then...

Beyond that, can't the person be asked to disclose all characters as part of the process and attest to operating primarily in hisec -- with penalty of forfeture of said accounts if its found out later they lied?

Point is, if there is the *will* do this, it can be done -- what I sense though is the null blocks fear it, so naysay it.

Not trying to be an ass about this, but if you really want anyone in hisec to give a flying f#ck about the CSM you need to enfranchise them with representation that more accurately aligns to population density.

Hi seccers don't really need CSM reps. Empire expansions are like buses, there is usually another one along shortly.