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High Sec War Deccing is Utterly Broken.

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Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#201 - 2014-01-28 08:43:02 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
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Hiring mercenaries is not an answer. Joining larger alliances is not the answer. HTFU is not the answer.


why not? why not? and why not?

some mercs, like failed diplomacy, might join ur dec for free!
some alliances, like dec shield, might take on your dec for free!
HTFU is an attitude. one that might help you endure in this game.


Whilst I don't particularly like the highsec denizens that pick on small, new corps who can't protect themselves this guy is right. All 3 of those things are the answer with one missing:

Move to nullsec

There are plenty of ways to avoid or manage wardecs at the moment. If you have problems with wardecs you need to research how to deal with them, hire mercs, try fighting (probably won't work as they're more prepared than you will be), create baiting fleets, move to npc corps or alt corps for the duration or move to nullsec.

The best way to deal with wardecs is HTFU and move to nullsec. There are no wardecs in nullsec.
0mez
Doomheim
#202 - 2014-01-29 14:43:52 UTC
Exactly what I have tried to state and have explained for many months on this forum. The high sec mercs who always boast about their kill boards are all basically using bugs within the game to get easy kills (high-sec only so they can be protected by CONCORD). They only ever kill targets that are easy targets and will hide the second the targeted corp (usually new player / indy corp) get defense from someone else. They then go on the forums to boast, soon as the shoes on the other foot and someone does it to them they are the first to cry on the forums.

Best option is to move to null as stated. Every time my high sec corp gets a wardec we put out scouts to get more information about them. Soon as you post these guys tactics on the forums where their easy targets can read and figure out their tactics, they go on to constantly sit on the forum spamming forum mods to remove the posts... then claim by posting the truth that you are somehow abusing them.
Capt Fuga
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#203 - 2014-03-10 08:28:43 UTC
War years ago were simple. You vs them in a generally clean fight. They didn't have any of the BS you have today.

Todays wars consist of and alt alliance of 15-30 players war dec'ing smaller inday/mission corps with very low SP players. Then the aggressors use neuts to rep them while they just pick off all of the jr players. I think if you assist anyone in a war (RR mainly), you should be pulled into it. (or the defending corp should have 30 day kill rights on that person) This is probably the only broken mechanic to the system.

Most corps want to fight but can't win due to this loophole.

Alot of people just flat out don't want to do PVP. There is nothing wrong with new players not wanting to dive into PVP when they still need to learn how the game works. If they do want to start to learn PVP, they can just get a gang together and go to low/null sec to learn.

Most older players in Eve are pretty **** to the new players these days which is such a shame.
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#204 - 2014-03-10 14:53:33 UTC
so from what I read whole thread
issue is:

neutral alts
no profit for defender to fight back
high sec war deccer is bully
war dec system is broken
each side want to force their own ideal environment where only their play style is valid, and other side is complete wrong.
^I lol at this one
Your Dad Naked
Doomheim
#205 - 2014-03-10 15:38:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Your Dad Naked
Tchulen wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
They can fight back.. anyoen can fight back in this game. IF they fail its THEIR fault!! Only their own fault! That is the explendid thing. Safe the rare bugs, everytime syou die, its your own fault or your friends fault.

If you cannto defend yourself.. LEARN TO

Don't be stupid. That's not the case at all. You attack people without guns. You attack unarmed ships. They cannot fight back. (See what I did there - Emphasis without capitalising words - Watch and learn).

You're over simplifying things and only seeing the situation from your perspective. You justify your actions because you don't want to admit what you are. Anyone who goes to low sec or nullsec is inherently agreeing to pvp combat. They are doing so because they are voluntarily going to where there are no police to protect them. Those in high sec are in high sec because of two reasons. Either a) they don't want to do pvp or b) they want to pick on people who don't want to do pvp. You fit the latter group.

Whether you think you're a bully or not, there are plenty of people who think you are. That fact alone makes you a bully. Do you think the hard kid in middle school who rules the playground with an iron fist considers himself a bully? No, he considers himself a hard man. But all those other kids consider him a bully. These high sec carebears are the kids, you're the bully and the nullsec denizens are the adults who would kick you in the face if you ever actually went near them.

You see, whether you think it or not, you are a bully by definition. You should admit it and move on with your life. That's just who and what you are. No need to feel ashamed. After all, this is the path you've chosen within the game. The path of the bully.

ps whilst I've tried to translate your appalling writing I simply have no idea what you mean by this: "That is the explendid thing". I don't really care what you mean but you go on about other people not reading your posts but you make it pretty difficult to. Not because you don't understand the language but purely because you're lazy and incompetent. Try reading through your comments before you post them and correct the enormous amount of mistakes. That way people will be able to understand you. If you don't, you just look like an ignorant fool.
Your assumptions are wack. Here's what I did today:

- Logged in and managed 3 billion ISK worth of mineral buy orders
- Hauled some goods to and from a major trade hub
- Sent out my mining fleet and mined 150mil ISK of mats
- Did an L4 to grind standing
- Ganked 3 mining barges, had another hour of fun being chased by kill righters
- Attempted to smartbomb gank some pods at gate warp-ins and failed

That's right. I mined, then I ganked the miners.
Am I a bully? Or am I, perhaps, just some nerd having fun playing a spaceship video game?

EDIT: To clarify I know you're not talking about ganking; same scenario is all. Attacking unarmed ships in highsec because you know they can't defend themselves isn't bullying. In real life it's bullying because life is not a PVP game. EVE is.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#206 - 2014-03-10 17:21:50 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
Unfortunately, this cowardly douche-bag activity is accepted in EVE. CCP apparently wants to provide that griefer niche that every other mmorpg reasonably doesn't want to cater to.

EVE is a game that rewards sociopaths who lack intelligence and courage.

All we can do is be glad we don't feel the need to take our aggression out on random defenseless people like the losers do. Personally, I prefer targets that will fight back, but I understand many EVE players are inferior to me in intelligence and courage. You just have to expect this kind of activity from the pathetic cowards who play this game.


About your stuff...

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#207 - 2014-03-10 17:26:31 UTC
Two things I want to see happen with wardecs:

1.) no hiding in NPC corps without large penalties. 10% ratting income isn't a large penalty.

2.) more ways to hunt down aggressors--no more attacking with a nearly perfect escape plan. There should always be an accessible way to break it.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Mardock Deum
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#208 - 2014-03-10 17:32:00 UTC
Easy way to fix thpe neutral logi is to hire a group to geddon then to death
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#209 - 2014-03-10 17:36:32 UTC
Mardock Deum wrote:
Easy way to fix thpe neutral logi is to hire a group to geddon then to death

Neutral logi has already been fixed.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Mardock Deum
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#210 - 2014-03-10 19:45:34 UTC
Yeah so you can attack them now still changes the rules of the engagement a lot. What you do is get a neutral group of geddons and **** the logi then the original group can't attack the geddons and the logo can't rep
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#211 - 2014-03-10 22:13:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
As the Op has gone to Doomheim*), continuing this discussion is rather pointless.

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*)Doomheim is the final resting place of biomassed characters.

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