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Cov Ops Cloak at Gate Camps
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Figaro Devars
Kenshin Industries.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#1 - 2014-03-10 06:13:52 UTC
I just lost a Pilgrim with a cov ops cloak at a low-sec gate camp, so I'm wondering if anyone here can tell me what I did wrong. When I clicked "warp to 0" on the next gate, I immediately hit F1--mapped to my cov ops cloak, but nothing happened, so I hit it again, thinking I might have clicked the button too soon after clicking warp to 0, and again nothing (I've done this many times before). By the third time, it was too late, they were already targeting me.

Does anyone know what might have caused the cloak not to activate? I didn't get any message, etc. Could it have just been an internet hiccup? If so, it's a lousy way to lose a ship.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#2 - 2014-03-10 06:34:56 UTC
You didn't hug gate cloak until your recloak timer expired.
Figaro Devars
Kenshin Industries.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#3 - 2014-03-10 06:39:17 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
You didn't hug gate cloak until your recloak timer expired.


Hmm, that's possible; I hadn't thought of that, but it doesn't seem likely because I took enough time to actually look at both ships to see if they were using sensor boosters, and the Pilgrim only has a 5-second reactivation delay.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2014-03-10 07:00:55 UTC
When you hear "warp drive activated" you can activate your cloak without making an error.

How did you Veterans start?
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#5 - 2014-03-10 07:39:35 UTC
What do the logs tell you?

Maybe there was something close to you. Maybe it was lag. Check the logs, it can help.

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Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-03-10 10:47:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Fluffi Flaffi
Have been objects (container, corpse, etc.) nearby or even a ship that was approaching your position by trial and error already? If it's not activated on your overview you may not see it in space as well. Maybe you spawned 2.1km away from it, but it was directly in your acceleration direction?
It's not unusual to drop uncloaking things in a gatecamp or corpse laying around when the gatecamp was running already for a longer time and especially corpses are usually not activated in the OV.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-03-10 12:06:15 UTC
If your cloak fails to activate you will see an instant error message with the reason.
If you don't see this message and hit the cloak again then grats you just turned your cloak off again and are now dead.
There is often a delay in seeing the module activate and many people die from clinking it twice.

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Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-03-10 14:48:06 UTC
You can't get trigger-happy when trying to activate a cloaking device coming off a gate-cloak; but even if you didn't double-trigger the cloak and thus disable it, there's a chance you might have been locked up by a high-scan-resolution tackler (an "insta-locker" can get in the lock and tackle within one server tick, especially on a target that's cruiser-sized or larger)...

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Figaro Devars
Kenshin Industries.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#9 - 2014-03-10 17:17:39 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
What do the logs tell you?

Maybe there was something close to you. Maybe it was lag. Check the logs, it can help.


I wish I had thought of this. I just came back to the game a week or so ago, and I forgot that I could check the log. Unfortunately, by the time I'd seen your post, I'd already logged off once, and the log seems to have been cleared.
Figaro Devars
Kenshin Industries.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#10 - 2014-03-10 17:19:52 UTC
Fluffi, Marc, & Silvetica,

I think one of those things must have happened. They were both running sensor boosters, so I think it's possible they started to lock me before I could get cloaked, but it's also possible that I accidentally double-clicked the module.
Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#11 - 2014-03-10 17:39:11 UTC
happened to me just last night, CCP could really idiotproof the cloaking mechanic a bit to protect against accidental double-clicking, especially considering how often commands are just dropped because of some timing issue. It's so flipping silly to have a recloaking delay but not have any delay to prevent accidentally decloaking right after you've cloaked.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-03-10 17:42:52 UTC
Firstly, kudos for asking "what did I do wrong?" rather than immediately blaming it on the mechanics or CCP. I'm not being facetious here - too many people will just immediately assume that the fault is with the game, so it's refreshing to see your attitude. Most likely, as others have said above, is that you had a recloak timer ticking down and tried to re-enter cloak before it expired.

When flying a cloaked ship, my general course of action is to wait about ten to fifteen seconds after I've jumped through the gate to assess the situation, choose a destination to warp to and collect myself. This allows any recloak timer I might have to tick down, and allows me to make informed decisions about what my next move should be. Once I've decided to warp, I hit warp to 0, wait about half a second (I couldn't tell you the exact amount of time, but you'll get an instinct for it) so that the game will have had enough time to register that I'm leaving gatecloak so that when I hit my cloak button I'll immediately enter cloak without a problem.

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Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#13 - 2014-03-10 17:51:39 UTC
Logs are on your PC , just need to find them. I'm not near my system with Eve installed atm but maybe someone else can give you the dirs the logs are located in. These logs will tell you exactly what happened.

Figaro Devars wrote:
l0rd carlos wrote:
What do the logs tell you?

Maybe there was something close to you. Maybe it was lag. Check the logs, it can help.


I wish I had thought of this. I just came back to the game a week or so ago, and I forgot that I could check the log. Unfortunately, by the time I'd seen your post, I'd already logged off once, and the log seems to have been cleared.

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Figaro Devars
Kenshin Industries.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#14 - 2014-03-10 18:03:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Figaro Devars
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Logs are on your PC , just need to find them. I'm not near my system with Eve installed atm but maybe someone else can give you the dirs the logs are located in. These logs will tell you exactly what happened.

Figaro Devars wrote:
l0rd carlos wrote:
What do the logs tell you?

Maybe there was something close to you. Maybe it was lag. Check the logs, it can help.


I wish I had thought of this. I just came back to the game a week or so ago, and I forgot that I could check the log. Unfortunately, by the time I'd seen your post, I'd already logged off once, and the log seems to have been cleared.



Thank you Nexxala. I found it. There was a wreck within 2000 meters. So, I guess there was nothing I could have done. I tried to burn back to the gate but a Pilgrim is way too slow to get back in time. At least I know though. It's even more frustrating to lose an expensive ship and not know why.
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-03-10 18:56:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tetsuo Tsukaya
Marc Callan wrote:
You can't get trigger-happy when trying to activate a cloaking device coming off a gate-cloak; but even if you didn't double-trigger the cloak and thus disable it, there's a chance you might have been locked up by a high-scan-resolution tackler (an "insta-locker" can get in the lock and tackle within one server tick, especially on a target that's cruiser-sized or larger)...


It's impossible to lock something in under one tick when they hit warp from gate cloak, even with infinite scan resolution. Anything that can warp in under two seconds or cloak up in under two seconds cannot be caught because of the way server ticks work
GavinGoodrich
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-03-11 02:43:21 UTC
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
You can't get trigger-happy when trying to activate a cloaking device coming off a gate-cloak; but even if you didn't double-trigger the cloak and thus disable it, there's a chance you might have been locked up by a high-scan-resolution tackler (an "insta-locker" can get in the lock and tackle within one server tick, especially on a target that's cruiser-sized or larger)...


It's impossible to lock something in under one tick when they hit warp from gate cloak, even with infinite scan resolution. Anything that can warp in under two seconds or cloak up in under two seconds cannot be caught because of the way server ticks work



I'm pretty sure you knew what he meant anyway.

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Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-03-11 05:03:34 UTC
GavinGoodrich wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
You can't get trigger-happy when trying to activate a cloaking device coming off a gate-cloak; but even if you didn't double-trigger the cloak and thus disable it, there's a chance you might have been locked up by a high-scan-resolution tackler (an "insta-locker" can get in the lock and tackle within one server tick, especially on a target that's cruiser-sized or larger)...


It's impossible to lock something in under one tick when they hit warp from gate cloak, even with infinite scan resolution. Anything that can warp in under two seconds or cloak up in under two seconds cannot be caught because of the way server ticks work



I'm pretty sure you knew what he meant anyway.


Not really as he's saying an insta locker can lock you in less than a second before you are able to cloak, and that's wrong.
Oxide Ammar
#18 - 2014-03-12 07:36:22 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
When you hear "warp drive activated" you can activate your cloak without making an error.


This.

You only hit cloak when you hear this message not before..not after.

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Tiger Armani
End-Game
#19 - 2014-03-12 14:21:56 UTC
Figaro Devars wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Logs are on your PC , just need to find them. I'm not near my system with Eve installed atm but maybe someone else can give you the dirs the logs are located in. These logs will tell you exactly what happened.

Figaro Devars wrote:
l0rd carlos wrote:
What do the logs tell you?

Maybe there was something close to you. Maybe it was lag. Check the logs, it can help.


I wish I had thought of this. I just came back to the game a week or so ago, and I forgot that I could check the log. Unfortunately, by the time I'd seen your post, I'd already logged off once, and the log seems to have been cleared.



Thank you Nexxala. I found it. There was a wreck within 2000 meters. So, I guess there was nothing I could have done. I tried to burn back to the gate but a Pilgrim is way too slow to get back in time. At least I know though. It's even more frustrating to lose an expensive ship and not know why.


Always have a TAB in your overview which shows everything. Always check this during gate cloak and make decision if u have to burn somewhere and try cloak, or can u just warp+cloak immediately.
Figaro Devars
Kenshin Industries.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#20 - 2014-03-12 18:13:34 UTC
Tiger Armani wrote:
Always have a TAB in your overview which shows everything. Always check this during gate cloak and make decision if u have to burn somewhere and try cloak, or can u just warp+cloak immediately.


This is really good advice. I will do this from now on.
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