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Please don't release the new font

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#81 - 2011-11-29 02:51:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas
Psychophantic wrote:
Didn't they learn anything from ship spinning?

Why not just hold off on the font until they can implement a method to let us choose a font to use rather than force this down our throats. Some people like brussel sprouts. I don't.


ITT one or two people and their alts try to prevent a change that people have been begging for since at least 2007.

I've had more friends start to play then quit because of the font than all of the people ranting in this thread added together.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#82 - 2011-11-29 02:59:54 UTC
Agreed, the new font looks pretty good, and is so much better than the current it's not funny. If you ever leave hisec, you will appreciate being able to distinguish system names so much you'll never ***** again.

And if the change is really that bad for you to quit, I gladly accept contracts, and don't let the DOOR hit you on the way out.
Ione Dee
Lucror Commerce Investment Corporation
#83 - 2011-11-29 03:19:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ione Dee
Aphoxema G wrote:

A lot of thought went into the new font, it's not just change for changes' sake. I do think it should be an option to maintain the old font, but the examples shown here of the new font isn't the same as what I've seen on Sisi. There's something wrong with that person's client or settings.


CCP Punkturis stated in the original thread that there is no way to keep the old font as an option.
Psychophantic
#84 - 2011-11-29 03:23:58 UTC
Ione Dee wrote:

CCP Punkturis stated in the original thread that there is no way to keep the old font as an option.


It won't happen. They'd look foolish after hiring a font expert to come up with this.

Looking forward to some client hacks or a customisable UI.
Psychophantic
#85 - 2011-11-29 03:24:59 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:

ITT one or two people and their alts


Oh hai thar goon.
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#86 - 2011-11-29 03:32:37 UTC
Old font = terribad

New Font = strange and alien, for a few days, and then is REALLY nice.

Try it.
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Barakkus
#87 - 2011-11-29 05:01:26 UTC
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
Old font = terribad

New Font = strange and alien, for a few days, and then is REALLY nice.

Try it.



Been on SISI for a while with it. While the new one is definitely 1000000x more readable, it's just not fitting for the game imo. I just wish it was readable at all sizes, should work on the letter spacing a bit and it probably won't be too bad, or take out the intermediate sizes that make it look so bad. The only real issue I have with it's readability is in chat boxes.

In about a month no one will care though, everyone will be used to it by then.

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Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#88 - 2011-11-29 07:22:10 UTC
meh, Ill get used to it

:3
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2011-11-29 07:47:13 UTC
Psychophantic wrote:
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1875/marketu.jpg

Slashed zeroes are so 1980's.

http://blog.dotkam.com/wp-content/uploadhere/2008/11/zx-sinclair-basic.png


I still use them, always did, and will continue to.

zeroes are zeroes and its important to see difference.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#90 - 2011-11-29 08:06:51 UTC
Esthetically it's a big change, old font is very stylished on the expense of legibility. It looks scifi and is small, but not practical or usable. Usability should be priority in UI design.

New font is very good, it is miles ahead the old font in usability. Font change is a thing that takes a while to get used to, but once the emotional shock is over, I bet people will love the new font.

I already do, it has a nice, light flow and reading it is bliss compared to interpreting the old symbols.

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RaTTuS
BIG
#91 - 2011-11-29 15:20:22 UTC
it's looks OK on the login screen ...... anything else I cannot tell ;-p

http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png http://i.imgur.com/kYLoKrM.png

CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
#92 - 2011-11-29 16:49:40 UTC
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
If it does not work why you not make it work?

If I can see the good font in chat why is it not used else where in the UI on the same screen? Why is it not making sense?

Why make excuse? Why say "it's for those who want to give up readability" to make it sounds like a CHOICE? Are you not the one responsible to make it readable? It's on the same screen, why can't you make it work?

Where is my :Excellence:? Why am I wrong?


As explained in the devblog, the UI scaling is just taking the entire UI and scaling it up and down. The chat font size, by contrast, is just using a smaller size of font. There's no good way of scaling the UI by a percentage and swapping the font size at the same time, without making this feature sufficiently large that it'd have been cut entirely. Given that if you don't like it you can just leave it at 100%, the current solution still seems like the best choice available.

Roime wrote:
Esthetically it's a big change, old font is very stylished on the expense of legibility. It looks scifi and is small, but not practical or usable. Usability should be priority in UI design.

New font is very good, it is miles ahead the old font in usability. Font change is a thing that takes a while to get used to, but once the emotional shock is over, I bet people will love the new font.

I already do, it has a nice, light flow and reading it is bliss compared to interpreting the old symbols.


I was having this discussion the other day, actually, and it very much seems like the general trend is that your font can look "sci-fi" or it can look legible. The style of fonts we associate with being "sci-fi" are pretty much all illegible to a greater or lesser extent, because when you're designing a font for a movie, "looks cool and different" matters way more than "I would be happy reading this on a monitor all day".
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2011-11-29 17:23:47 UTC
I like the new font in general but the wide spacing between numbers sucks: http://i.imgur.com/LXUKh.jpg
Sellendis
The Ares project
#94 - 2011-11-29 18:43:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Sellendis
Ione Dee wrote:
Aphoxema G wrote:

A lot of thought went into the new font, it's not just change for changes' sake. I do think it should be an option to maintain the old font, but the examples shown here of the new font isn't the same as what I've seen on Sisi. There's something wrong with that person's client or settings.


CCP Punkturis stated in the original thread that there is no way to keep the old font as an option.


As they said about Hangar view...and look now, we have hangar back. Is anything optional in this game until community raises a fuss?
To scale the font in the overview menu, we need to scale the whole UI?
On 90% UI the readout is horrible, since font size only affects context menus.
JagerJake
Legio Noviomagum
#95 - 2011-11-29 18:44:27 UTC
Shivus Tao wrote:
I find the new font infinitely more readable than the old.
Mutie DaPig
Doomheim
#96 - 2011-11-29 20:05:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutie DaPig
The default 100% with 10 pts on a 1680x1050 screen: it's a size up from what were used to, and as a result everything looks too busy and big. We have to enlarge our open windows more than before to cater for the new text.

When using 90% with 10 pts on a 1680x1050 screen: it scales like it did before and looks about right for me at least - but with one huge but! The window header /subheader / tabs text is way too tiny compared to the other text on screen, looking all crushed up and wrong. The headers are too narrow and hard to grab too.

Please increase the size of of that text please and I'd be happy !!! Maybe have an option to scale it numerically like the new Context Menu Fontsize option in general settings.
Mikhail Illiad
Fevered Imaginings
#97 - 2011-11-29 20:06:10 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
New font is better than old one. Nuff said


Words were spoken... and they were sensible ones...

There once was an interesting signature here... It has long since disapeared. 
Shkolnica
#98 - 2011-11-29 20:22:55 UTC
I like new font in general.
But could you comment this?
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#99 - 2011-11-29 22:17:40 UTC
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
Old font = terribad

New Font = strange and alien, for a few days, and then is REALLY nice.

Try it.


QFT

Only thing that needs a bit of tweaking is the decimal point, make it a tad bigger please.

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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#100 - 2011-11-29 22:51:51 UTC
Dear CCP,

Please just make UI scale do font size up or down. If it is going to make it more legible, I don't see any excuse you not doing it.

Now that the expansion is released you will have plenty of time to work on it to get it straight.

Don't forget there is always the option of using the old font, or letting us pick the font.

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Also listen to all the complaints from people WHO DONT LIKE THE FONT, I fffffking warned you. You just no listen.

Now I'm offering you SOLUTIONS. So just do it.