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Small wormhole town-hall, this Saturday.

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Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-03-08 02:09:30 UTC
Epigene wrote:
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Epigene wrote:
I assume this meetup is designed as a Chitsa-for-CSM rally and therefore highlight the countless achievements of our WH representatives over the last year. That would be very helpful since I actually could not list a single one and I am eager to learn what I have been missing.


Dear sir I am not running again for the office and I would very much like to meet you on the comms to talk about your ideas.



My apologies. I have grown so cynical that I assume every communication by a CSM member is part of a re-election campaign. Mea culpa.

I shall make efforts to attend but I do not promise to bring new ideas. The forums and blogs are full of ideas how make WH life better without destroying its uniqueness. I am however keenly interested learning what a) you think of WH life at the moment b) what achievements you can look back on.


FFS I am not running for reelection. I would love some valid candidate do it though.

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me

QT McWhiskers
EdgeGamers
#22 - 2014-03-08 03:18:09 UTC
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Epigene wrote:
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Epigene wrote:
I assume this meetup is designed as a Chitsa-for-CSM rally and therefore highlight the countless achievements of our WH representatives over the last year. That would be very helpful since I actually could not list a single one and I am eager to learn what I have been missing.


Dear sir I am not running again for the office and I would very much like to meet you on the comms to talk about your ideas.



My apologies. I have grown so cynical that I assume every communication by a CSM member is part of a re-election campaign. Mea culpa.

I shall make efforts to attend but I do not promise to bring new ideas. The forums and blogs are full of ideas how make WH life better without destroying its uniqueness. I am however keenly interested learning what a) you think of WH life at the moment b) what achievements you can look back on.


FFS I am not running for reelection. I would love some valid candidate do it though.



It is at this time that I announce my candidacy for WH CSM. I pledge to represent harder and communicate faster over and over again for all of you who love your holes.

Of course in four months, I will be announcing that it was all an HR experiment and that I will write a paper for college/summer camp. I just hope SSC doesnt rob us blind.

Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#23 - 2014-03-08 03:18:12 UTC
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Make a separate channel for the meeting. That way you know who is interested by who is in the channel


Why?


Having a ton of people on comms talking over each other makes it unbearable. Giving them a dedicated channel for this meeting that you can moderate will allow us to type questions, instead of talking over people.

No trolling please

Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-03-08 09:20:22 UTC
I will not be muted! Evil You will listen to what i have to say and like it, Bane!

I'm sure the meeting will be moderated correctly and anyone continually talking out of turn will be kicked.
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-03-08 11:23:13 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Make a separate channel for the meeting. That way you know who is interested by who is in the channel


Why?


Having a ton of people on comms talking over each other makes it unbearable. Giving them a dedicated channel for this meeting that you can moderate will allow us to type questions, instead of talking over people.


That is not a bad idea. I will announce channel during the meeting.

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me

Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#26 - 2014-03-08 11:50:37 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
I will not be muted! Evil You will listen to what i have to say and like it, Bane!

I'm sure the meeting will be moderated correctly and anyone continually talking out of turn will be kicked.

No monkey business you.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.

Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-03-08 17:51:15 UTC
comms are joint.fcftw.org and it is TS3

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me

Nylon Elephant
Doom Generation
Best Intentions.
#28 - 2014-03-08 21:16:54 UTC
If you missed it the recording from the first half is available here

2nd half with CCP Fozzie will be up once its over.
Tyrant Scorn
#29 - 2014-03-08 21:17:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrant Scorn
I missed it, had a CSM interview... Is there a recording available ?

EDIT: posted at the same time as the recording got posted !!

Thanks !
Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2014-03-08 21:18:58 UTC
http://downthepipe-wh.com/csm-wh-townhall-meeting/

ill also have the fozzie part up as soon as its done
Sum Olgy
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-03-08 22:03:01 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
What region of null will we be invading after said meeting?


EDIT: On a more serious note what do you actually expect this meeting to achieve other then getting some public appearances done and out of the way for you and James so you can both look like you have been open to the WH community before the elections?

Seriously there have been massive threadnaughts in this subsection and not all ending in trolling with serious posts from a wide variety of groups in WH space and you want to have a TS chat about ideas some more? Has the whole WH community not given you enough to "go on".

After a TS chat and you get reelected will we just never here from you both again for another 11 months?




Why can't you *ever* be positive about well... anything?

Best policy in life - If you haven't got anything nice to say don't say anything. Roll
Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2014-03-08 22:33:56 UTC
Sum Olgy wrote:
Winthorp wrote:
What region of null will we be invading after said meeting?


EDIT: On a more serious note what do you actually expect this meeting to achieve other then getting some public appearances done and out of the way for you and James so you can both look like you have been open to the WH community before the elections?

Seriously there have been massive threadnaughts in this subsection and not all ending in trolling with serious posts from a wide variety of groups in WH space and you want to have a TS chat about ideas some more? Has the whole WH community not given you enough to "go on".

After a TS chat and you get reelected will we just never here from you both again for another 11 months?




Why can't you *ever* be positive about well... anything?

Best policy in life - If you haven't got anything nice to say don't say anything. Roll


these forums would be so empty :|
Winthorp
#33 - 2014-03-08 23:08:10 UTC
Sum Olgy wrote:
Winthorp wrote:
What region of null will we be invading after said meeting?


EDIT: On a more serious note what do you actually expect this meeting to achieve other then getting some public appearances done and out of the way for you and James so you can both look like you have been open to the WH community before the elections?

Seriously there have been massive threadnaughts in this subsection and not all ending in trolling with serious posts from a wide variety of groups in WH space and you want to have a TS chat about ideas some more? Has the whole WH community not given you enough to "go on".

After a TS chat and you get reelected will we just never here from you both again for another 11 months?




Why can't you *ever* be positive about well... anything?

Best policy in life - If you haven't got anything nice to say don't say anything. Roll


I like to point out the subtle undertone of political bullshit. What can i say but i am here for the people.


If we all stood silent while **** people posted crap then **** people would get out of control.
poerkie
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#34 - 2014-03-08 23:08:36 UTC
could you maybe get it done to get the recall probes and use probes to scan button get seperated. cuz i keep clicking the wrong button every now and then...........................
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#35 - 2014-03-08 23:50:25 UTC
Sum Olgy wrote:

Best policy in life - If you haven't got anything nice to say don't say anything. Roll

Better policy: if you haven't got anything nice to say, it's because the people around you are idiots and need to be educated, forcibly if necessary.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.

Nylon Elephant
Doom Generation
Best Intentions.
#36 - 2014-03-09 00:01:08 UTC
Part 2 is up here
Featuring us singing happy birthday to Chitsa under TiDi.
Winthorp
#37 - 2014-03-09 05:50:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Winthorp
Sum Olgy will hate this post even more.

MY TL;DR of the townhall.

- Chitsa went off base and moved the conversation in the wrong direction every single time he spoke. (How does this guy ever get any coherent work done while operating like a bipolar madman?)

- Most people apart from James wasted all the time they had with CCP Fozzie.

- I wish that chick was a WH CSM, topics of concern might get more focus and better questions asked to prompt action.

- Other non essential CSM's got on and wasted a significant amount of time talking about their own **** when you had James and Chitsa for the CSM > CCP perspectives as to how things get done.

- Talked about more ideas for C4 and Black holes and they were said over and over in multiple threads here... More wasted time.



I really couldn't find any positives to this townhall, it sounded exactly like the townhall that was had before last election and my guess is before next election we will have another townhall about C4's and Blackholes.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#38 - 2014-03-09 06:08:58 UTC
poerkie wrote:
could you maybe get it done to get the recall probes and use probes to scan button get seperated. cuz i keep clicking the wrong button every now and then...........................


THIS.

No trolling please

AssassinationsdoneWrong
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#39 - 2014-03-09 11:51:50 UTC
Yes the following is a wall of text but I hope it gets read and I like any kind of feedback.
Points of importance to me:

1. Delaying overlay sigs? Absofarkinlutely! But not making them available on probes ??? No! Stupid idea!

2. Cure to BH = ratting and industry bonuses????? That's what you came up with Chitsa? TBH f**k the industry clowns they are not the content providers in WHs and you want to reward them for it? Very few miners escalate nowadays so put this idea away please. take nerf bat, apply liberally to all BH's and swap them for a mix of the others thus providing more room for new corps.

3. Chitsa - You need to learn to stay on track! Simply throwing hand grenades into a conversation, closing the door, waiting for the bang and then opening the door to see what happened isn't what you're there for. You already know the contentious issues (If you don't then wtf have you been doing for last 11 months??) We expect our representative to tell us the progress of issues as they stand right now in your term and then ask for feedback not the other way around and certainly not ask for spitballing in the twilight of their term!

4. HIC and Dictor bubbles are fine the way they are. Traps still work just fine you just have to work hard for them.

5. POSes = broken but its not just a WH issue so I understand the over-cautious approach but I would like to see ALL of the CSM not just WHer's DEMANDING a timeline from CCP. At the moment you all seem to be laying down with the "Yeah we're aware of it and we'll fix it we promise" reply. I'd also like to see POSes/POS gunning ramped a little to actually be reasonably effective against a full on dread + carrier + subcap fleet defence but I know I'm in the minority on that.

6. AFK Cloaking - Leave it alone in ALL space. If null sec bears (let's face it the only ones really moaning about it) want to earn uber-isk then they have to accept they are at risk. Don't change anything because it will ultimately affect W-Space negatively the same way that instasigs did.

WH cloaking is an integral part of WH life. It requires patience and if I roll into a WH and see their activity line is 2 hours from now and they have bling losses you can be damn sure I'm gonna be in there for that duration and yes I may afk to go make a cup of coffee. Sorry.

Removing DScan whilst cloaking?? Just take cloaks off the market completely then because you just broke it for good.

7. @ Chitsa. If your CCP "guy" thinks WH space is "a bit complicated for the average player base" so what? So is effective market trading, incursion running, low sec ganking, blob coordination and any other niche in the game. Dumbing it down, which is a trend already in play, is not the way to promote it. Stop buying the CCP popcorn!

8. CCP Fozzie needs a rename to CCP QuestionTransversal, "Its been thought of, thats a good idea, no real dates, not really on the schedule etc. etc. The answer avoidance was supreme.

9. The big topics of the last year were actually NOT covered (Save BH-BS) and I did notice the C4 with dual statics was brushed on lightly but when the suggestion of dual statics for the bigger boys (C5,C6) was mentioned the convo got crickets followed by a veer-off immediately. Not sure why C5'ers want C4's to have duals if they don't want them themselves but maybe I was just misreading the chatter?


THE BOTTOM LINE
I don't know you Chitsa I've never been on comms with you and tbh this is the first time I've listened to you and I'm suffering acute underwhelment.

James (Don't know him either) on the other hand kept his comments crisp, to the point and without window dressing which is what we need. I feel he should (if he isn't) stand again but we have to separate the wheat from the chaff here and unfortunately Chitsa I for one am glad you are stepping down and hope you've enjoyed the comp'd trips to Iceland.

CCP decided to put the CSM into place and for it to be effective we do have to have people on it who are going to say no, represent their playerbase rather than their own agenda and stand up to CCP for as what we are ..... their CUSTOMERS!

The Nexus 7's

What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity

Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-03-09 12:04:08 UTC
Thank you everyone for showing up. It was the first time I organized something like this. So please keep the feedback coming so next time when it is done we can do it better.

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me

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