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Are Minmatar ships the best PvP Ships in the game in all tiers?

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Weed Guy
Space Kush Dispensary
#1 - 2014-03-08 00:08:51 UTC
Are Minmatar ships the best pvp ships in the game? In all tiers, including stealth bombers and recon ships? It's those covert ops ships I'm specifically interested in.
xHxHxAOD
The State.
NullSechnaya Sholupen
#2 - 2014-03-08 00:25:16 UTC
no and ps there is no the best ship or race really
Zarnak Wulf
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
#3 - 2014-03-08 00:29:38 UTC
Minmatar is once again Eve on hard mode.
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
#4 - 2014-03-08 00:32:59 UTC
If you think about it, Minmitar engineers are the best in the galaxy. They make Tech 3, covert ops and Titans out of scrap and rusted metal. Truly amazing.
Weed Guy
Space Kush Dispensary
#5 - 2014-03-08 00:42:39 UTC
So I looked at isis for a bit and minmatar recon ships don't look so hot, Amarrian recon ships actually look the best for solo.
Dato Koppla
Kiwis In Space
Dock Workers
#6 - 2014-03-08 00:44:30 UTC
Rebalancing has brought all the ships quite close together, for the bombers they are pretty much evenly matched, each has it's upsides and downsides, no real 'best' one IMO (one could argue Nemesis is worse because of the horrendous fitting). For Recon Ships Rapier and Huugin are both good ships, but so are the other races Recons, all of them serve some kind of purpose with the Rook posssibly being the crappiest. Finally for cloaky T3s the Loki makes a fine cloaky webber like the Rapier but with a massive tank, as a cloaky hunter it's dps is kinda low but it's passable, the best cloaky T3 for tank/gank is the Proteus, but the Loki is still acceptable.
Weed Guy
Space Kush Dispensary
#7 - 2014-03-08 00:46:44 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Rebalancing has brought all the ships quite close together, for the bombers they are pretty much evenly matched, each has it's upsides and downsides, no real 'best' one IMO (one could argue Nemesis is worse because of the horrendous fitting). For Recon Ships Rapier and Huugin are both good ships, but so are the other races Recons, all of them serve some kind of purpose with the Rook posssibly being the crappiest. Finally for cloaky T3s the Loki makes a fine cloaky webber like the Rapier but with a massive tank, as a cloaky hunter it's dps is kinda low but it's passable, the best cloaky T3 for tank/gank is the Proteus, but the Loki is still acceptable.


thank you that was a very informative post :)
Gefen Orion
Icebox Industries
#8 - 2014-03-08 01:41:39 UTC
All ships in eve are more or less equal. It really depends on your playstyle and your preference. Eventually you will be able to fly almost all ships you like, given time and proper planning. So plan ahead and stick with your objectives.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#9 - 2014-03-08 03:44:45 UTC
Recon ships are largely a support role...one in which the minmatar variants actually excel. Super long range webs are epic, especially when combined with the long point on an arazu/lachesis.

thhief ghabmoef

Bruce Kemp
Safety Set To Red
Corpse Disposal Services
#10 - 2014-03-08 04:57:41 UTC
Weed Guy wrote:
Are Minmatar ships the best pvp ships in the game? In all tiers, including stealth bombers and recon ships? It's those covert ops ships I'm specifically interested in.


Gallente top race atm, P
Bruce Kemp
Safety Set To Red
Corpse Disposal Services
#11 - 2014-03-08 04:59:07 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Minmatar is once again Eve on hard mode.


Thats the way we like it....Hard. Lol
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#12 - 2014-03-08 05:40:04 UTC
Short answer: no
Long answer: noooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Jon Joringer
The Third Foundation
Commonwealth Vanguard
#13 - 2014-03-08 19:38:54 UTC
The Glory Days of Winmatar have come and gone. Due to the rebalancing initiative put forth by CCP, known as 'teircide,' all other races have encroached on what made Minmatar Winmatar (namely, speed, damage projection). That isn't to say Minmatar ships are terrible now, they're just, most of them, in a strange place of not being terribly good at anything.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#14 - 2014-03-09 00:00:39 UTC
They're best, if by "best" you mean "not best".



I'm glad to be of service.Lol

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.

Omara Otawan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-03-09 02:32:10 UTC
Once you realize that a plated Thorax has no issue catching a single-speedmod Stabber, the supposed speed king of the T1 cruiser lineup, you'll clearly see the problem.

Sure, overheat mechanics with MWDs (cycle) play a role here, but the core issue is that minmatar ships don't have a distinct enough speed advantage anymore, let alone agility.
Chessur
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#16 - 2014-03-09 07:01:36 UTC
For covops stuff, minny bring some nice things to the table.

For the bombers- they have the best solo, and a great fleet bomber in the Hound. Its a great ship, and second to none in the lineup.

For the Recons- Rapier is hands down the most useful recon in a cloaky gang. Fit with Faction TPs' and Webs (with info and skirmish link) This ship will increase the effective DPS of your Bomber wing immensely. No other ship can do the job better.

Loki- All covert subsystem T3 are pretty ****. The loki can bring long webs, kind of like the rapier. But from a pure cloaky gank gameplay style, pales in comparison to the utility the rapier brings.

Panther- Best BLOPS ingame currently. Its fast, can project DPS and makes for a very nice nanoplatform. (Think of a slightly watered down Mach.) 2600MS unheated MWD speed, is nothing to scoff at. It can also bring the heavy neuts, which provides some additional utility for your bomber gang.

Overall minny have a great cloaky workhorse.
Rab See
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-03-09 13:43:47 UTC
Omara Otawan wrote:
Once you realize that a plated Thorax has no issue catching a single-speedmod Stabber, the supposed speed king of the T1 cruiser lineup, you'll clearly see the problem.

Sure, overheat mechanics with MWDs (cycle) play a role here, but the core issue is that minmatar ships don't have a distinct enough speed advantage anymore, let alone agility.


Yes - it was speed, agility and utility as a race, now they are just wholly 'meh'. Look at the HACs - one trick pony or what. Nothing useful there.

Loki - cant be used for anything other than heavy tackle. And others bring DPS and heavier tackle, plus ... well .. all that Minmatar used to bring.

The recent changes just homogenized everything. Choose your race on the ships that look nice - blandly.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2014-03-09 14:35:57 UTC
Rab See wrote:
Omara Otawan wrote:
Once you realize that a plated Thorax has no issue catching a single-speedmod Stabber, the supposed speed king of the T1 cruiser lineup, you'll clearly see the problem.

Sure, overheat mechanics with MWDs (cycle) play a role here, but the core issue is that minmatar ships don't have a distinct enough speed advantage anymore, let alone agility.


Yes - it was speed, agility and utility as a race, now they are just wholly 'meh'. Look at the HACs - one trick pony or what. Nothing useful there.

Loki - cant be used for anything other than heavy tackle. And others bring DPS and heavier tackle, plus ... well .. all that Minmatar used to bring.

The recent changes just homogenized everything. Choose your race on the ships that look nice - blandly.


The other T3s have a webbing bonus subsystem now? Shocked

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Chessur
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#19 - 2014-03-09 14:52:04 UTC
Rab See wrote:
Omara Otawan wrote:
Once you realize that a plated Thorax has no issue catching a single-speedmod Stabber, the supposed speed king of the T1 cruiser lineup, you'll clearly see the problem.

Sure, overheat mechanics with MWDs (cycle) play a role here, but the core issue is that minmatar ships don't have a distinct enough speed advantage anymore, let alone agility.


Yes - it was speed, agility and utility as a race, now they are just wholly 'meh'. Look at the HACs - one trick pony or what. Nothing useful there.

Loki - cant be used for anything other than heavy tackle. And others bring DPS and heavier tackle, plus ... well .. all that Minmatar used to bring.

The recent changes just homogenized everything. Choose your race on the ships that look nice - blandly.



This is wrong, Plated thorax- is not faster than a stabber. Infact, no T1 cruiser has a faster speed than the stabber. So please stop.

And the problem with kiting, and minny ships- are not the hulls. They easily have the agility and speed to do so when properly fit. Its the fact that minny ships are using a trash tier weapon system, and have no reliable platform to bring DPS from 30K.
Fenris Orion
Strata Victoria
#20 - 2014-03-09 18:20:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Fenris Orion
[quote/ Omara Otawan]Once you realize that a plated Thorax has no issue catching a single-speed mod Stabber, the supposed speed king of the T1 cruiser lineup, you'll clearly see the problem.[/quote]

I don't know what you're smoking, but I want some. My shield/rail Rax with one auxiliary thruster rig is NOT going to keep up with a Stabber. Although, if you get within web range of my Blaster-Rax in a Stabber, I'm probably gonna eat it alive. That's probably where you're going wrong.

Also, medium Railguns dish out much better raw damage at range, but Autocannons have vastly superior tracking. Which one is more effective depends on how much maneuvering is going on.


I've been on the receiving end of enough SFI's and Vagabonds to be convinced they're the best thing Minnmitar have going for them. So much so that I spent the cash building a Proteus to deal with them. Twisted

The aforementioned long-web Loki would pair perfectly with the long scram of the Proteus. The "best" of anything depends entirely on the situation.
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