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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#41 - 2014-03-06 23:44:57 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
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Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#42 - 2014-03-06 23:59:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Miriya Zakalwe
J'Poll wrote:

Everytime a gank fails. A new ganking ship must be bought.


Or succeeds :)
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-03-07 00:43:08 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Miriya Zakalwe wrote:
J'Poll wrote:

Everytime a gank fails. A new ganking ship must be bought.


Or succeeds :)


If you would have read the line above...its says it there.

*shakes head* What is up with the reading capabilities of the people now a days. CCP, you should reinstate learning skills and add Reading and Adv. Reading into that.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-03-07 06:15:06 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Miriya Zakalwe wrote:
J'Poll wrote:

Everytime a gank fails. A new ganking ship must be bought.


Or succeeds :)


If you would have read the line above...its says it there.

*shakes head* What is up with the reading capabilities of the people now a days. CCP, you should reinstate learning skills and add Reading and Adv. Reading into that.


And these skills should be required for forum access :p

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Rykuss
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2014-03-08 00:35:49 UTC
Lemon Nado wrote:
I was in a .6 System mining.... Retriever, nothing in the ore hold.... I noticed a small venture coming in and flying by.
Next thing two guys show up and blow me up. wtf... One guy had -9 security.... I am not whining.... just thought there is police, or concord or something above .5.... What gives??? Once they shot at me, I could not even hit the jump button so quickly I blew up... Is that concord thing a myth??? System was Raneilles....


Ah yes, I remember that system well. Without looking up the killmail, I'll assume it was The Tuskers since their home is next door. I recommend going into your settings and marking that corp as red (-10 on your standings) so you'll see them when they enter local, if you insist on mining there. On the other hand, you could always join them and partake in PvP and gank others on the side in your spare time.

You, too, can be a Solid Gold dancer.
Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#46 - 2014-03-08 07:28:01 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Miriya Zakalwe wrote:
J'Poll wrote:

Everytime a gank fails. A new ganking ship must be bought.


Or succeeds :)


If you would have read the line above...its says it there.

*shakes head* What is up with the reading capabilities of the people now a days. CCP, you should reinstate learning skills and add Reading and Adv. Reading into that.


*shameface*
Ginzou Tzestu
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#47 - 2014-03-08 11:15:30 UTC
Hey man, this is the first time someone mentions me in the forums, so im kind of honored ;) We didn't want to make you mad, so if you ever feel like you need some advice or get interested in PvP, drop us a mail.

Quote:
Ah yes, I remember that system well. Without looking up the killmail, I'll assume it was The Tuskers since their home is next door. I recommend going into your settings and marking that corp as red (-10 on your standings) so you'll see them when they enter local, if you insist on mining there. On the other hand, you could always join them and partake in PvP and gank others on the side in your spare time.


Grr Tuskers. It was Stay Frosty man!
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#48 - 2014-03-08 17:34:38 UTC
Don't mine. Oh god please don't mine.

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Oraac Ensor
#49 - 2014-03-08 18:49:52 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Don't mine. Oh god please don't mine.

Because then there would be no ships for the gankers to buy and we would all be safe.

Ah, wait . . . . .
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#50 - 2014-03-08 18:59:04 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Because then there would be no ships for the gankers to buy and we would all be safe.

Ah, wait . . . . .


Actually, it's more because of this.

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Oraac Ensor
#51 - 2014-03-08 20:01:55 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Because then there would be no ships for the gankers to buy and we would all be safe.

Ah, wait . . . . .


Actually, it's more because of this.

Missing the point.

Too subtle for you , I guess.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-03-09 01:10:42 UTC
Vila eNorvic wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
-9? You can remove them from their ships without Concord retaliation everywhere in highsec. No killrights required. Though they will get killrights for you thenLol.

No.

You only get kill rights if you are attacked illegally and don't shoot back.


Wrong. If you are ganked in HS and shoot back, you still get killrights.

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Vila eNorvic
#53 - 2014-03-10 02:12:22 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Vila eNorvic wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
-9? You can remove them from their ships without Concord retaliation everywhere in highsec. No killrights required. Though they will get killrights for you thenLol.

No.

You only get kill rights if you are attacked illegally and don't shoot back.


Wrong. If you are ganked in HS and shoot back, you still get killrights.

I stand corrected.
Lemon Nado
The Circus Corp
#54 - 2014-03-10 17:54:30 UTC
Ginzou Tzestu wrote:
Hey man, this is the first time someone mentions me in the forums, so im kind of honored ;) We didn't want to make you mad, so if you ever feel like you need some advice or get interested in PvP, drop us a mail.

Quote:
Ah yes, I remember that system well. Without looking up the killmail, I'll assume it was The Tuskers since their home is next door. I recommend going into your settings and marking that corp as red (-10 on your standings) so you'll see them when they enter local, if you insist on mining there. On the other hand, you could always join them and partake in PvP and gank others on the side in your spare time.


Grr Tuskers. It was Stay Frosty man!


I will.... no hard feelings. I was a tad surprised because my interpretation of the stuff I read made that gank impossible.
In any case, it was executed flawlessly 8).

Well... here you are mentioned again 8)))).

Btw.... stop exploding... the bounty is becoming expensive LOLZ


Once I got more skill points I will mail you guys! Right now I am happy with getting a handle on the larger PvE themepark targets...

Lemo
Qen Tye
In Between
#55 - 2014-04-07 13:29:41 UTC
Rob Kashuken wrote:
Ah, learned something from this thread...

Warped into a 0.6 system last night (trying my luck at lower sec systems outside of the newbie areas) and started mining in a venture, there were a few others in retrievers and ventures around, and rapidly found myself chatting with a navy Raven pilot whilst a few other larger ships appeared nearby.

Couldn't work out why I was the focus of so much attention then.... now I know.

I tried that once - being the ganker that is..

Got creamed like hell by CONCORD, but was fun to try.

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Ethikos
Doomheim
#56 - 2014-04-07 14:09:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ethikos
Just to summarize for newer players reading this thread ...

Pirates and Ganking in High Sec:
- Yes pirates (-5 security status) can enter into even 1.0 systems. The faction police spawn as they enter the gate, but the pirates have more than enough time to warp off if they are in something fast (frigate / destroyer / etc).

- CONCORD will spawn once the pirates start attacking you in high sec (assuming they have not declared war against your corporation, etc). That being said there is a response time built into the CONCORD response mechanics (a couple of seconds).

- The pirates are going to die to CONCORD once they start attacking you (again assuming no war decs, etc), they know this. Usually they are in very cheap ships that have high DPS. The idea is to kill you for minimal ISK cost on their end and then loot your wreck.

- If the pirates have declared war on your corporation they can attack you without CONCORD.

- This game mechanic is not actually the end of the world for those in high sec. Keep your d scan up, don't fly things you can't afford to replace, think before you bling out your high sec ship, and accept that one of the things that is so unique about EvE is that there is risk in everything (to some level).

Safety Tips:
- Set up your overview so that you know what is landing on grid with you and who is in local. See the EvE University guide to the overview. This will also tell you if the people in local / landing on grid declared war on your corporation, etc.

- 360 degree directional scanner is your friend, particularly short scan (~1.0 AU and less). It gives you time to react.

- Don't fly silly expensive ships that will make you a target if your not ok with it going boom at some point.

- If you die, treat it as part of the game and think about what happened. You have a couple of options at that point. Get into PvP and look at making others explode, or just think about what happened and how you can mitigate it happening again (direction scanner up, etc).

Sniggwaffe (Waffles)
Lemon Nado
The Circus Corp
#57 - 2014-04-07 18:52:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lemon Nado
[quote=Miriya Zakalwe]Next time, say nothing and orbit the white knights at 500. It's fun.[/quote

HA


There is a Concord arrival time which is tied to the system security level:

1 -> about instant (if already there) to 6 secs
.
.
.
.
.5 roughly 19 seconds (LONG TIME)

Below .5 Concord sits on the fence and watches the Police pepper spraying your attacker.

0 sec to -1 sec... well... all bets are off -> EVE Everything versus Everything
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-04-07 19:01:42 UTC
Ethikos wrote:
Just to summarize for newer players reading this thread ...

Pirates and Ganking in High Sec:
- Yes pirates (-5 security status) can enter into even 1.0 systems. The faction police spawn as they enter the gate, but the pirates have more than enough time to warp off if they are in something fast (frigate / destroyer / etc).

- CONCORD will spawn once the pirates start attacking you in high sec (assuming they have not declared war against your corporation, etc). That being said there is a response time built into the CONCORD response mechanics (a couple of seconds).

- The pirates are going to die to CONCORD once they start attacking you (again assuming no war decs, etc), they know this. Usually they are in very cheap ships that have high DPS. The idea is to kill you for minimal ISK cost on their end and then loot your wreck.

- If the pirates have declared war on your corporation they can attack you without CONCORD.

- This game mechanic is not actually the end of the world for those in high sec. Keep your d scan up, don't fly things you can't afford to replace, think before you bling out your high sec ship, and accept that one of the things that is so unique about EvE is that there is risk in everything (to some level).

Safety Tips:
- Set up your overview so that you know what is landing on grid with you and who is in local. See the EvE University guide to the overview. This will also tell you if the people in local / landing on grid declared war on your corporation, etc.

- 360 degree directional scanner is your friend, particularly short scan (~1.0 AU and less). It gives you time to react.

- Don't fly silly expensive ships that will make you a target if your not ok with it going boom at some point.

- If you die, treat it as part of the game and think about what happened. You have a couple of options at that point. Get into PvP and look at making others explode, or just think about what happened and how you can mitigate it happening again (direction scanner up, etc).


To add to this list:

Anything that happens (both good and bad) to you while playing EVE (either during your time logged in as well as logged off) is directly related to any action or inaction on your own behalf.

If something happens to you, in the end it was because of something you did or didn't do. Do not blame others or the game for it, you are wrong.

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Lemon Nado
The Circus Corp
#59 - 2014-04-07 19:15:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Lemon Nado
J'Poll wrote:


If something happens to you, in the end it was because of something you did or didn't do. Do not blame others or the game for it, you are wrong.


Absolutely.... I just shot myself into the foot yesterday. Being ignorant does not protect you.
I joined a corp with an alt in the far away land of nullsec. All cool. Now I had that great idea of flying my mining alt there and dock him in that station. (the pro already knows by now what happened lolz...)
I did that trip for two reasons, I like that ship I flew and I wanted to see how ninja I can be.
I did not want to pod-travel myself there suicidedly.
Long story short.... I actually made it through immensely hostile territory.
Chased, bubbled, followed... Not caught!
But then.... hahaha... my mining alt was not in the corp yet and hence the station did not let me in.
What a novel feature to me haha.
I was smart enough not to fly to a pos nearby... lolz.... instant BBQ...
But... I was not blue. So I was flattened out nicely as the new welcome mat.
One cannot be mad if one has not had the experience. Instant learning effect haha.
Friendly people showed up to help me out of my ship.
Was kinda funny.... Docking... NOPE refused... AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
And two lights went on. One in my mind! AH that's how this works...
One a second later when my ship flew apart....
Can't be mad about anything.

NEXT!!!

Lemo

PS:EvE is no fun when you don;t push the envelop every time you play and if you do not leave your comfort zone.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#60 - 2014-04-07 19:42:44 UTC
Further to Concord response times, Tippia did some research; for science, and came up with the following numbers:

  • 1.0 — 6±1 seconds.
  • 0.9 — 6±1 seconds.
  • 0.8 — 7±1 seconds.
  • 0.7 — 10±1 seconds.
  • 0.6 — 14±1 seconds.
  • 0.5 — 19±1 seconds.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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