Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes sorry, I worded it poorly.

I'm not saying that it isn't already powerful as it is now, but with what other ships do you no longer take advantage of a hulls weapon bonus when you simply swap to a different type of ammo? (the Talwar is in the same situation, and should share the same changes if they go through)


There you are comparing turret to missiles, two different systems; they have different kinds of damage application an different methods for damage mitigation. Turrets are chanced based and have the potential to do critical shots or miss, missiles offer consistent damage but are more situational and predictable.

Missiles should be different; whats the point of having such a flexible weapon but not being able to use it to it's full potential? If this change requires doing a little less damage then I can live with that, but if it makes missiles and caldari missile boats more unique and adaptable then that's more desirable.

EDIT:

That's a good point, I can't really comment on it since I've never used one, though I understand that it's one of the lease used of the dreads.

I know I keep saying it, but missiles should be about adaptability, and caldari traits should mirror this.

The issue there is that those turret systems are designed with set damage types from the ground up. The only weapon system that becomes restricted to type by T2 Ammo are projectiles. All other weapons are the same regardless of which hull or ammo used.



If a nerf is needed, which we already covered I do not agree, it would be tiny. I would agree if the bonus was going to be an Omni buff to all damage, then a strong nerf would be in order... This just changes a portion of the damage the ship would be doing anyway to a different type---which can be a powerful tactical tool, but it's also one the weapon system is balanced to have compared to the other weapons.

Yeah. The OP's idea is completely fine in principle. But damage is damage.10% extra kinetic damage on all missile types may not be quite as adaptable as 10% of the main damage type, but for PvP purposes, where Omnitanks are the norm, it's still 10% extra damage, since even ships with very high natural kinetic resists tend to have kinetic resists close to the other types after plugging the other holes with specific hardeners.

I'd consider a 10% kinetic bonus added onto the other three missile types to be on the same general power level increase as a 9 or 9.5% omni damage boost to those types, given the slightly reduced damage profile flexibility as compared to a 10% omni. Any way you cut it though, it's still a significant boost of applied dps in a wide number of situations where you want to apply the other damage types, which apparently the OP STILL doesn't understand.

I really don't know why I keep posting, if he does not understand that it's a buff by now, he probably will not until he is significantly more experienced with using missile ships in PvP himself or experience with having them used against him.

no man, i think u've misread.

most ships get a boost to all damage types with an additional boost to kinetic damage to give them a dps edge over comparable ships.

the only missile ships that only ever get a boost kinetic damage and nothing else is a condor, crow and drake edit- and flycatcher. every ship u've mentioned beyond those three gets boosts to omni damage as well as kinetic.

though im exlcuding the corax because the only comparable ship is a talwar, which is focused into explosive damage, but also does not get that amazing 50% explosion velocity. For damage, the Corax is just better.