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The Mittani for CSM

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#141 - 2014-03-08 11:31:42 UTC
we actually do that so that he won't quit and make somebody else run the alliance, **** that

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#142 - 2014-03-08 11:32:29 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
No. A proven cyberbully is an extremely poor choice as a player representative. This is especially true in Mitten's case since he was in CSM office when said EULA breaking action took place.

this cannot be stressed enough.

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Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2014-03-08 11:35:09 UTC
CCP should hire him. They share this vision of an online video game being a fun hobby for everyone involved, where players respect each others and keep their repressed RL tendencies out of the ingame narrative.
Kyperion
#144 - 2014-03-08 11:41:41 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
No. A proven cyberbully is an extremely poor choice as a player representative. This is especially true in Mitten's case since he was in CSM office when said EULA breaking action took place.

this cannot be stressed enough.


Its pretty obvious from all of the ridiculous political scandals EVE has had in the past, that the developers are WAY to close to the elite players/alliances and it has been way to easy for people to pick favorites, from the days of BoB to The MIttani's disgusting display of D*baggery.

No, what CCP needs to do is stand on their own two feet, and be willing to say "THIS is the direction we are going with the game, and this is the reason.... "



CCP needs to stop this player driven soap-opera democracy farce.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#145 - 2014-03-08 11:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Kyperion wrote:
No, what CCP needs to do is stand on their own two feet, and be willing to say "THIS is the direction we are going with the game, and this is the reason.... "


what you're actually saying is that CCP should stand on their own two feet and be willing to say "THIS is the direction we are going with the game, because it's the one that Kyperion wants"

perhaps the direction you think they want to take the game is not, in fact, that

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#146 - 2014-03-08 11:56:55 UTC
perhaps the direction they actually wish to take the game towards is the one they've been taking it towards this entire time, and you don't like it but you think that CCP's desires for the game are aligned with yours and that there's some external, dominating force that is telling them what to do with the game, when that is not the case

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Lady Areola Fappington
#147 - 2014-03-08 12:03:55 UTC
Man, it's an even run between furries and pubbies on who can hold online grudges over stupid ****.

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Inari Visas
Federal Navy Academy
#148 - 2014-03-08 12:40:39 UTC
Andski wrote:
perhaps the direction they actually wish to take the game towards is the one they've been taking it towards this entire time, and you don't like it but you think that CCP's desires for the game are aligned with yours and that there's some external, dominating force that is telling them what to do with the game, when that is not the case


The way I see it, to an extent, is that by putting this level of power with the players, all concept of neutrality is lost. When you put players in seat of power, and these players are part of some of the biggest blocks in a game, someone must realise that objectivity is an issue here. And objectivity in eve is one of the biggest concerns with players.

Trust in this game is at it's most basic and non forgiving form. It only produces losers in this game. What CCP is saying with CSM, in my eyes, is that they are somewhat clueless about what they want the game to be.

Or

They power that the major players hold in this game is akin to someone holding a gun to their head. They are afraid to anger certain parties. Now, I don't really mind it. I'm not at a point where I am familiar with much of what the game has to offer me. I enjoy what I have now, and it's different enough to keep me here.

What I want to see, and it's why I am waiting eagerly to fanfest, is CCP in control on the out of game decisions. Keep players inside the game, not out of it. Somewhat.

Than again, the fact that eve is still here after 10 years, can show that the stance they take is the right one. You can't convince (nor should you have to) me or anyone else, that CSM is neutral. CCP should be the only gods in this game, yet you can't promise they are neutral as well. Its the curse of the game, and one aspect that is synonymous with it. Trust no one.

We should be able to trust CCP atleast.
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#149 - 2014-03-08 12:43:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaxon Grylls
Timmy Sprinkles wrote:

Heck, at this point and with the way things are, with the $10 Groupies he's got ...


For the benefit of the uneducated what is being described here is known as a claque.

From dictionary.com:

claque

noun
1. a group of persons hired to applaud an act or performer.
2. a group of sycophants.


Probably the second meaning here as as far as I know the membership of the goons pay, with real money, to belong to the group and not the other way round.

Oh, and in reply to the original question.

Nope, not even if he was the only candidate.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#150 - 2014-03-08 12:48:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
Inari Visas wrote:
You can't convince (nor should you have to) me or anyone else, that CSM is neutral

it's actually the best assumption that the council is collectively 'neutral' in their role, as they are representatives elected by the playerbase as a whole in a free election

some may be elected by bloc votes but not all and not the same blocs

what i'm saying is that if you want to suggest that csm is not neutral you need to present evidence

e: 'neutral' ofc being representative of the community
Inari Visas
Federal Navy Academy
#151 - 2014-03-08 13:08:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Inari Visas
Benny Ohu wrote:
what i'm saying is that if you want to suggest that csm is not neutral you need to present evidence

e: 'neutral' ofc being representative of the community


That is something I obviously can't do. But isn't that a part of reason why players don't want the mittani in CSM? I know only what I read of course, but if mistrust is a product of eve, then it should be relevant to all aspects of it. Inside and outside of the game. ie it could be a scam.

Jaxon Grylls I thought it was clique?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#152 - 2014-03-08 13:19:04 UTC
Inari Visas wrote:
The way I see it, to an extent, is that by putting this level of power with the players, all concept of neutrality is lost. When you put players in seat of power, and these players are part of some of the biggest blocks in a game, someone must realise that objectivity is an issue here. And objectivity in eve is one of the biggest concerns with players.

Trust in this game is at it's most basic and non forgiving form. It only produces losers in this game. What CCP is saying with CSM, in my eyes, is that they are somewhat clueless about what they want the game to be.

Or

They power that the major players hold in this game is akin to someone holding a gun to their head. They are afraid to anger certain parties. Now, I don't really mind it. I'm not at a point where I am familiar with much of what the game has to offer me. I enjoy what I have now, and it's different enough to keep me here.

What I want to see, and it's why I am waiting eagerly to fanfest, is CCP in control on the out of game decisions. Keep players inside the game, not out of it. Somewhat.

Than again, the fact that eve is still here after 10 years, can show that the stance they take is the right one. You can't convince (nor should you have to) me or anyone else, that CSM is neutral. CCP should be the only gods in this game, yet you can't promise they are neutral as well. Its the curse of the game, and one aspect that is synonymous with it. Trust no one.

We should be able to trust CCP atleast.


You're assuming that the CSM have any form of power. They do not.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#153 - 2014-03-08 14:02:52 UTC
Inari Visas wrote:
That is something I obviously can't do. But isn't that a part of reason why players don't want the mittani in CSM? I know only what I read of course, but if mistrust is a product of eve, then it should be relevant to all aspects of it. Inside and outside of the game. ie it could be a scam.

if they're unable to put the reason into words, it's not worth expressing, and not worth factoring into decision-making
Eiwol Ressiv
Extorsion Productions.
#154 - 2014-03-08 14:38:17 UTC
eve is dying
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#155 - 2014-03-08 14:46:55 UTC
The Mittani is intelligent and most of the articles on his website are very interesting and usually hit the nail on the head. Nevertheless he is baised towards null-sec so I would rather he didn't rejoin the CSM as it is far too null-centric already.
Inari Visas
Federal Navy Academy
#156 - 2014-03-08 15:14:10 UTC
Andski wrote:
You're assuming that the CSM have any form of power. They do not.


Than why are you defending his right to be in CSM? If there is no point, why bother with something useless?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#157 - 2014-03-08 15:41:26 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Tyrton wrote:
This post sums up how the goon attitude is towards the rest of eve and has me concerned, If this standpoint is nurtured and propagated then this game's future is in trouble.


The only reason they can be like that is because no-one else is prepared to put in the time and effort to take them down. It's entirely the fault of the players that don't like them that they're so unlikeable.


Maybe that's because nobody who cares enough for that is left?

Let them cruise control the game, it's seen its good days. It might have many more good days or not, but those who were in for a challenge are now long, long gone and CBA to go an uphill battle just to see the same stuff and the same grind again.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#158 - 2014-03-08 16:04:35 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Tyrton wrote:
This post sums up how the goon attitude is towards the rest of eve and has me concerned, If this standpoint is nurtured and propagated then this game's future is in trouble.


The only reason they can be like that is because no-one else is prepared to put in the time and effort to take them down. It's entirely the fault of the players that don't like them that they're so unlikeable.


Maybe that's because nobody who cares enough for that is left?



The army of whinebears suggests there's a lot of people who care, just not enough to actually *do* anything.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#159 - 2014-03-08 16:10:03 UTC
Inari Visas wrote:
Andski wrote:
You're assuming that the CSM have any form of power. They do not.


Than why are you defending his right to be in CSM? If there is no point, why bother with something useless?


To "defend" his right to be in the CSM would mean that that right is somehow under attack. It's not. I'm merely stating facts: he was never barred from running for the CSM, and if he runs, he'd win.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#160 - 2014-03-08 16:30:35 UTC
It'd be a waste of both a slot and his time, so who cares?

The CSM is better filled by wonks with extensive game knowledge, the more collectively comprehensive the better.

The Maratanari's contribution was being an articulate and effective leader and representative of an important point of view, which he can do through other means.

I'm sure he has a decent grasp of much of the game, but not compared to someone like Mynnna or Manfred for example, and likely doesn't have their nerdish devotion to dealing with the mundane detail of input and feedback.

Great troll thread though. Well played.

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