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So one player can gank me in Highsec and not get Concorded?

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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#41 - 2014-03-08 14:33:16 UTC
Cranky MaDinky wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Looked at your km. Your attacker is an obvious ganker with many ships lost to CONCORD. I'm sure this one was as well. Your mistake is thinking CONCORD is there to protect you. They aren't. Like the RL cops, they show up, eventually, to punish the bad guy, not save you. They even write a nice report for you and send it to the killboards.

Here in Toronto, the cops are the bad guys...


I was duel boxing one day and forgot my anti-psychotic meds. I was so mad at the ganker until I realized I ganked my own alt...


In real life in most countries the police are liable to **** and/or murder you and get away scott free. Luckily in New Eden the CONCORD service is beyond reproach.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2014-03-08 14:38:38 UTC
Bethan Le Troix wrote:
Cranky MaDinky wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Looked at your km. Your attacker is an obvious ganker with many ships lost to CONCORD. I'm sure this one was as well. Your mistake is thinking CONCORD is there to protect you. They aren't. Like the RL cops, they show up, eventually, to punish the bad guy, not save you. They even write a nice report for you and send it to the killboards.

Here in Toronto, the cops are the bad guys...


I was duel boxing one day and forgot my anti-psychotic meds. I was so mad at the ganker until I realized I ganked my own alt...


In real life in most countries the police are liable to **** and/or murder you and get away scott free. Luckily in New Eden the CONCORD service is beyond reproach.


uh huh :D Try shooting an abandoned blue cargo container.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#43 - 2014-03-08 14:39:50 UTC
Bethan Le Troix wrote:
I'm not sure why someone would use sentry drones to do that job but CONCORD would have destroyed the ganker.

The main issue though is that you being suicide ganked was entirely your fault. T1 industrials should NOT be used to transport cargo valued at more than twenty million ISK. No exceptions to this rule. T1 industrials cannot be tanked sufficiently and really should only be used to empty PI at customs office, to ferry ore for small scale mining ops, or to do lvl 4 distribution missions. There is no other viable use for them.


You can get rather good firepower out of a vexor cheaply.
Zabrina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-03-08 15:15:55 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:
I got killed in hisec, therefore something is wrong.

I didn't see him get concorded, therefore he did not get concorded.

I have been away and then this happened, therefore the game has changed by removing concord and not in other ways like crimewatch.

I sbed someone in hisec once and remember I was concorded in "no time flat", therefore he should have been too.

"There must be something about sentry drones interaction in highsec , concord, and PVP", therefore there must be something wrong.

I can fly ships that the requirements say I shouldn't be able to fly, and I can't figure out the self-explanatory primary, secondary, tertiary requirements.




Are you sure this is the game for you?


Lets see.

1. Misquote poster several time on some key points.
2. Maintain the vernacular as if they're direct quotes from OP.
3. Berate OP.

That's like so '90's mmorpg.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#45 - 2014-03-08 16:22:55 UTC
I too would like some of your stuffs, before you get yourself banned for botting instead of just actually playing the game.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-03-08 16:39:47 UTC
Hi guys, I have a story:

Once upon a time, I was drunk at mardi gras, and I really needed to ****, so depite the heavy police presence I whipped it out right there and started going. It was about two seconds in that I felt a hand clap on my shoulder, and in 30 more seconds I was walking away with a $200 citation.

Then this other (once upon a) time just the other day, I was travelling in South Africa (Johannesburg), driving my gold-plated Mercedes-Benz. I only had about three hundred clearly-visible $10,000 bundles (U.S. Currency) sitting on the back seat. I stopped at a light and decided to avail myself of the local street-meat, so I stepped out of my gold-plated luxury automobile and left it, doors unlocked, to chow down on what was undoubtedly a mix of rat and feral dog (pretty good actually). I turned around 15 minutes later, and my car was gone! I mean, where are the police?

The police were there to give me a ticket for public urination at mardi gras, so I don't understand why they weren't immediately able to save my car. Isn't that why the police exist? To protect me from my own stupidity?



Wow, I'm getting bad at writing these sarcastic stories...

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#47 - 2014-03-08 16:59:46 UTC
Andski wrote:
why? because 1) you can and 2) the guy doing the hauling for you knows what he's doing otherwise he wouldn't be paying a billion in collateral to make a couple million


Not empty quoting.

Once you hit a certain isk ceiling, it is merely good business to pay others to do it.

Use Red Frog.

They are your friends.

They are like space-FedEx.

Or if they are insignificant hauls....

Get a team together...

And do the obvious...

Gank industrials.

BlinkBig smilePirate

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-03-08 17:07:23 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Not empty quoting.

Once you hit a certain isk ceiling, it is merely good business to pay others to do it.

Use Red Frog.

They are your friends.

They are like space-FedEx.

Or if they are insignificant hauls....

Get a team together...

And do the obvious...

Gank industrials.

BlinkBig smilePirate


I prefer PushX because I regularly set up dozens of freighter-sized courier contracts and they have lower rates across the board. The difference is in the lack of a pickup fee, and PushX charges less for lower-volume contracts, but they are a bit slower.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-03-08 17:15:45 UTC
You can haul stuff a little bit more safely if you make use of an Iteron with a cloak and MWD and do the MWD trick. It's as reliable as a blockade runner and was my primary way of hauling things before the warp speed changes. IMO it makes a lot more sense to do things this way as opposed to actually trying to tank a t1 Indy
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-03-08 17:33:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
Eram Fidard wrote:
Hi guys, I have a story:

Once upon a time, I was drunk at mardi gras, and I really needed to ****, so depite the heavy police presence I whipped it out right there and started going. It was about two seconds in that I felt a hand clap on my shoulder, and in 30 more seconds I was walking away with a $200 citation.
....

Wow, I'm getting bad at writing these sarcastic stories...


I liked your story. I really got into it. Especially the rat meat. And remember what Ted Nugent says, "When in doubt, I whip it out." Of course, I think he meant his rock -n- roll band and not his wiener.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#51 - 2014-03-08 19:21:57 UTC
Its threads like these that make me continue to camp trade hub pipe routes. Remember to send your ganker some lovely hate mail. We love adding it to our collection.





Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#52 - 2014-03-08 19:26:01 UTC
You've been back a week, did you bother to read up on any of the many changes?

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Zabrina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-03-08 19:37:24 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Its threads like these that make me continue to camp trade hub pipe routes. Remember to send your ganker some lovely hate mail. We love adding it to our collection.



OR you could do what I did. Convo'ed him, said GJ and asked him for the Kill mail since I didn't fire at him, I wasn't sent a copy. He dropped in the kiil mail and I said TY and ended it. Then I put $100,000 isk bounty on him just to insult him. (his bounty is over a billion already). I then read up on how to give kill rights and put my kill rights on him for 1sk.
Aaaarrgg
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#54 - 2014-03-08 20:13:37 UTC
Zabrina wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Its threads like these that make me continue to camp trade hub pipe routes. Remember to send your ganker some lovely hate mail. We love adding it to our collection.



OR you could do what I did. Convo'ed him, said GJ and asked him for the Kill mail since I didn't fire at him, I wasn't sent a copy. He dropped in the kiil mail and I said TY and ended it. Then I put $100,000 isk bounty on him just to insult him. (his bounty is over a billion already). I then read up on how to give kill rights and put my kill rights on him for 1sk.




This is the proper way to deal with gankers .

putting a bounty on them definitely lets them know you are insulting them , a small bounty will do don't want to go overboard

as a result you get a notification the next time they die so you can gloat over their loss

and I usually advise a 0 isk KR on the ganker ,that's much more likely to be activated



:)
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#55 - 2014-03-08 21:15:33 UTC
Geez, $100k worth of isk seems mighty generous. Please tip the bounties of everyone here who also tried to help.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
voetius
Grundrisse
#56 - 2014-03-08 21:23:36 UTC
Zabrina wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Its threads like these that make me continue to camp trade hub pipe routes. Remember to send your ganker some lovely hate mail. We love adding it to our collection.



OR you could do what I did. Convo'ed him, said GJ and asked him for the Kill mail since I didn't fire at him, I wasn't sent a copy. He dropped in the kiil mail and I said TY and ended it. Then I put $100,000 isk bounty on him just to insult him. (his bounty is over a billion already). I then read up on how to give kill rights and put my kill rights on him for 1sk.


If it's one of those Vexor guys that is always in the Balle to Hek pipe the killrights are a bit pointless. If you set them low he just ganks himself in a shuttle using an alt, if you set them too high they won't get taken up. If you try and set them somewhere around the price of the minerbumping standard T1 Vexor sentry gank fit he may well just clear them using his alt anyway for convenience.

I'm not saying that killrights are useless, they are actually very good but they are situational, see the post in C&P where people linked lots of killmails of people in CNRs etc getting killed.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#57 - 2014-03-08 22:13:38 UTC
I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.

Lets just say that posts promoting EULA breaking actions and/or activities are not tolerated.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#58 - 2014-03-08 22:46:16 UTC
Zabrina wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
I got killed in hisec, therefore something is wrong.

I didn't see him get concorded, therefore he did not get concorded.

I have been away and then this happened, therefore the game has changed by removing concord and not in other ways like crimewatch.

I sbed someone in hisec once and remember I was concorded in "no time flat", therefore he should have been too.

"There must be something about sentry drones interaction in highsec , concord, and PVP", therefore there must be something wrong.

I can fly ships that the requirements say I shouldn't be able to fly, and I can't figure out the self-explanatory primary, secondary, tertiary requirements.




Are you sure this is the game for you?


Lets see.

1. Misquote poster several time on some key points.
2. Maintain the vernacular as if they're direct quotes from OP.
3. Berate OP.

That's like so '90's mmorpg.


Yet on all points he's correct, you state that you didn't see him die and so he didn't according to you and the thread title. You lack knowledge, which is fine, and then state stuff youdon't understand and even when explained you stick to your statements.

So yes people are going to "berate" you based on your attitude and reactions, if you don't like that then perhaps you should change your tone or, you know, deal with it.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#59 - 2014-03-08 23:00:41 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.

Lets just say that posts promoting EULA breaking actions and/or activities are not tolerated.


Keep up the good work, officer.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#60 - 2014-03-08 23:33:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Zabrina wrote:


Lets see.

1. Misquote poster several time on some key points.
2. Maintain the vernacular as if they're direct quotes from OP.
3. Berate OP.

That's like so '90's mmorpg.

Are you capable of replying point by point? *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.