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So one player can gank me in Highsec and not get Concorded?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#21 - 2014-03-08 04:12:53 UTC
Zabrina wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Looked at your km. Your attacker is an obvious ganker with many ships lost to CONCORD. I'm sure this one was as well. Your mistake is thinking CONCORD is there to protect you. They aren't. Like the RL cops, they show up, eventually, to punish the bad guy, not save you. They even right a nice report for you and send it to the killboards.


No, I understand concord is not there to protect me. There must be something about sentry drones interaction in highsec , concord, and PVP.

I just remember the day I smartbombed somebody out during a mission and got punished in no time flat. This one was rather sad as I never saw Concord. Just my hull melt.


You're bound and determined to remain ignorant of this, aren't you?

You were in a 0.5 system in a negative tanked ship.

I could kill you and pod you in a 4 week old alt before CONCORD got there, this guy probably had time to smoke a cigarette and kill somebody else.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-03-08 04:25:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
Zabrina wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Looked at your km. Your attacker is an obvious ganker with many ships lost to CONCORD. I'm sure this one was as well. Your mistake is thinking CONCORD is there to protect you. They aren't. Like the RL cops, they show up, eventually, to punish the bad guy, not save you. They even right a nice report for you and send it to the killboards.


No, I understand concord is not there to protect me. There must be something about sentry drones interaction in highsec , concord, and PVP.

I just remember the day I smartbombed somebody out during a mission and got punished in no time flat. This one was rather sad as I never saw Concord. Just my hull melt.


Your Itty 5 took 1,706 damage. I'd be surprised if you heard the warning siren before you were dead. CONCORD didn't show up for 25 seconds. You were already dead by then. The guy could have wiped a fleet of Itty's in 25 seconds.

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Leolook
Shadow Company HQ
#23 - 2014-03-08 04:32:19 UTC
see what you are missing is that it take about 20 sec or so for concord to show up in a 0.5 system if you was afk on auto then you may have missed the show being you was not on your ball to see it .....heck you did say it was a long rang a ship is dam small out that far and who knows what grafx setting you are using if it is set low he may have been a speck on your screen you would not have seen him blow up


bottom line with the way the button works now with the gates if you was not AFK you would have warped and jumped before he had a chance to lock you up.

don't AFK when you have that much ISK in your hold take this as a lesson I learned the hard way also lost about 400-500 mill in a gank and have not used auto when moving stuff since
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#24 - 2014-03-08 05:03:43 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

You're bound and determined to remain ignorant of this, aren't you?

You were in a 0.5 system in a negative tanked ship.

I could kill you and pod you in a 4 week old alt before CONCORD got there, this guy probably had time to smoke a cigarette and kill somebody else.
1/2 a billion isk in a ship made of toilet tissue.... I'm surprised OP made it more than 1 jump into a highsec pipe tbh.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#25 - 2014-03-08 05:48:28 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

You're bound and determined to remain ignorant of this, aren't you?

You were in a 0.5 system in a negative tanked ship.

I could kill you and pod you in a 4 week old alt before CONCORD got there, this guy probably had time to smoke a cigarette and kill somebody else.
1/2 a billion isk in a ship made of toilet tissue.... I'm surprised OP made it more than 1 jump into a highsec pipe tbh.


Try sitting on a gate with a scanner alt for a while in one of the pipe areas.

You'd be surprised how many people straight up get away with crap like that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#26 - 2014-03-08 06:01:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You'd be surprised how many people straight up get away with crap like that.
I don't doubt it, the horror stories about an epidemic of industrial ganks are pretty much butthurt tears from those who can't be arsed to fit a ship properly.

I'm more surprised at how low a level it actually is, with max cargo t1 haulers carrying significant amounts of isk I'd have thought more people would be taking advantage of others laziness and ignorance.

It's not hard to mitigate the risks, it just takes some common sense and effort.

I do my own local hauling, always in a tanked ship, always with a value of less than 100M, I'll either split loads or use a 3rd party for anything over that. Anything going to Jita goes via a reputed 3rd party like Red Frog or PushX.

TL;DR keep the value low, split loads by value not capacity, and use 3rd parties for anything valuable you're not prepared to split and haul, or that needs hauling through a chokepoint.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#27 - 2014-03-08 06:07:12 UTC
Concord takes about 20 seconds to respond in 0.5 iirc.

Oh god.
MutnantRebel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-03-08 07:25:07 UTC
... Are we crying? Seriously? I was a 2 week old noob and got ganked losing all I had, and I didn't cry about it. Rule #1, don't fly it (or haul it) if you can't afford to lose it. I knew that my first day subbing. Grow a thicker hull yo!

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Your Dad Naked
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-03-08 08:53:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Your Dad Naked
Use the Nereus from now on. Iteron, Tayra, Mammoth and Bestower cannot fit a respectable tank. Sigil/Wreathe/Badger can work too, but aren't as solid overall.


[Nereus, Tanked]

2x Large Shield Extender II
3x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Damage Control II
4x Local Hull Conversion Expanded Cargo I

3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


[Nereus, Cargo]

2x Large Shield Extender II
3x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Damage Control II
4x Local Hull Conversion Expanded Cargo I

3x Medium Cargohold Optimization I
ST0NER SMURF
Vrix Nation
#30 - 2014-03-08 09:45:11 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Oh well if you were afk hauling, that's a problem. You will need a permit and abide by the Code. You can learn more at www.minerbumping.com


i dont think theres a code or a permit for afk hauling - such an activity is wrong on every front lol


there is.. yust 1 outside of the code ;o

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We are sorry for the inconvenience caused by the loss of your ship, but when it comes to pilot safety, we found that actions speak louder than words.

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If you wish to apply, send the application fee to Mr Vrix , with the class you are applying for in the description. Your application fee will be processed within 24 hours, and you will receive a confirmation mail when it has been accepted. All questions and comments can be sent to ST0NER SMURF


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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#31 - 2014-03-08 10:05:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Your Dad Naked wrote:
Use the Nereus from now on. Iteron, Tayra, Mammoth and Bestower cannot fit a respectable tank. Sigil/Wreathe/Badger can work too, but aren't as solid overall.


[Nereus, Tanked]

2x Large Shield Extender II
3x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Damage Control II
4x Local Hull Conversion Expanded Cargo I

3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


[Nereus, Cargo]

2x Large Shield Extender II
3x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Damage Control II
4x Local Hull Conversion Expanded Cargo I

3x Medium Cargohold Optimization I


Those expanded cargohold mods eat enough out of the structure that the benefits of the DC II are virtually negated. You may as well not bother with it and fit another cargo mod for all the good it does in those fits.

The fits are also active tank, which requires people to be at the keyboard.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-03-08 10:17:47 UTC
do what I do and pay somebody else to do your hauling

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-03-08 10:21:41 UTC
why? because 1) you can and 2) the guy doing the hauling for you knows what he's doing otherwise he wouldn't be paying a billion in collateral to make a couple million

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2014-03-08 10:38:15 UTC
You took a pooly tanked t1 industrial into a 0.5 system with getting on for 500 mil in cargo in it. You died quickly and due to being AFK you also got podded before Concord could land on grid.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#35 - 2014-03-08 11:07:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Lets look at the facts:


- the damage done to your ship ship is LESS than the volley damage of 3 T2 gardes backed by 4 DDA, this means that he one shotted you, easily

- you were in a 0.5 system, it takes 20 seconds for concord to arrive and act. Sentries have 5 second cycle timer, so he instapopped your ship and 5 seconds later he instapopped your pod too

- the ganker has many vexor losses due to concord this month, showcasing he doesn't use some loophole, trick or exploit

- you yourself state that your knowledge on the game is limited, simply due to being away for so long. But somehow you seem to have this idea that the stuff we tell you is wrong and that you have a really good idea of what happened. Based on what?



You got instapopped because you had close to 500 mil in your untanked hauler. So you were either afk and didn't notice it at all or you were sperging and not paying attention, that's what happened. Stop trying to find excuses and blaming weird exploits or game mechanics, blame yourself.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#36 - 2014-03-08 11:30:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tul Breetai
I got killed in hisec, therefore something is wrong.

I didn't see him get concorded, therefore he did not get concorded.

I have been away and then this happened, therefore the game has changed by removing concord and not in other ways like crimewatch.

I sbed someone in hisec once and remember I was concorded in "no time flat", therefore he should have been too.

"There must be something about sentry drones interaction in highsec , concord, and PVP", therefore there must be something wrong.

I can fly ships that the requirements say I shouldn't be able to fly, and I can't figure out the self-explanatory primary, secondary, tertiary requirements.




Are you sure this is the game for you?

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#37 - 2014-03-08 13:23:36 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:
I got killed in hisec, therefore something is wrong.

I didn't see him get concorded, therefore he did not get concorded.
Nope, nothing is wrong with highsec, unless you were a valid target via crimewatch or wardec then he got concorded, if you feel that he evaded Concord via an exploit report it to CCP.

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I have been away and then this happened, therefore the game has changed by removing concord and not in other ways like crimewatch.

I sbed someone in hisec once and remember I was concorded in "no time flat", therefore he should have been too.
Nothings changed, Concord have not been removed, the gank happened in a 0.5, he's got 20ish seconds to do the job before Concord roll up. If it'd been in a 1.0 then instant concordokken would have indeed happened.

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I can fly ships that the requirements say I shouldn't be able to fly, and I can't figure out the self-explanatory primary, secondary, tertiary requirements.
If your skills allowed you to fly it before any of the skill changes took effect you still can, the prerequisites for those ships don't apply in the case of "grandfather rights".

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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#38 - 2014-03-08 13:42:01 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
I got killed in hisec, therefore something is wrong.

I didn't see him get concorded, therefore he did not get concorded.
Nope, nothing is wrong with highsec, unless you were a valid target via crimewatch or wardec then he got concorded, if you feel that he evaded Concord via an exploit report it to CCP.

Quote:
I have been away and then this happened, therefore the game has changed by removing concord and not in other ways like crimewatch.

I sbed someone in hisec once and remember I was concorded in "no time flat", therefore he should have been too.
Nothings changed, Concord have not been removed, the gank happened in a 0.5, he's got 20ish seconds to do the job before Concord roll up. If it'd been in a 1.0 then instant concordokken would have indeed happened.

Quote:
I can fly ships that the requirements say I shouldn't be able to fly, and I can't figure out the self-explanatory primary, secondary, tertiary requirements.
If your skills allowed you to fly it before any of the skill changes took effect you still can, the prerequisites for those ships don't apply in the case of "grandfather rights".

/facepalm

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Cranky MaDinky
Doomheim
#39 - 2014-03-08 14:08:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Cranky MaDinky
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Looked at your km. Your attacker is an obvious ganker with many ships lost to CONCORD. I'm sure this one was as well. Your mistake is thinking CONCORD is there to protect you. They aren't. Like the RL cops, they show up, eventually, to punish the bad guy, not save you. They even write a nice report for you and send it to the killboards.

Here in Toronto, the cops are the bad guys...


I was duel boxing one day and forgot my anti-psychotic meds. I was so mad at the ganker until I realized I ganked my own alt...
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#40 - 2014-03-08 14:31:05 UTC
I'm not sure why someone would use sentry drones to do that job but CONCORD would have destroyed the ganker.

The main issue though is that you being suicide ganked was entirely your fault. T1 industrials should NOT be used to transport cargo valued at more than twenty million ISK. No exceptions to this rule. T1 industrials cannot be tanked sufficiently and really should only be used to empty PI at customs office, to ferry ore for small scale mining ops, or to do lvl 4 distribution missions. There is no other viable use for them.