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Incursions do not payout that much!!!
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Ooda
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2011-11-28 23:31:22 UTC
Spineker wrote:
Ooda wrote:
Quote:
I want to know how to make 100m ISK/h in highsec missions D: I can only do 30


Just farm Enemies Abound 3/5, something arround 70-85 mil/hour without great effort. (you'll need 2 agents with that mission)



How exactly are you going to Farm 3/5 more than once a day?


Just think over that point for more then 1 sec, and you will know. Come on, use your brain.
Admiral Yamamoto
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2011-11-29 00:39:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Admiral Yamamoto
Wallet

All this jabber of incursions lead me to do an experiment.

I ran incursions hard on friday / a few hours saturday / a couple hours on sunday. Here is a link of my wallet with the ticks.

This isn't a made up number, if you calculate it out, youll see a few instances of 100-120 mil an hour, but most hover around 85 ish.

This is because people need to ****, eat, drink etc. You lose competitions, you have to get the ore situation situated to complete the NMC it any timely fashion.

If i go to 0.0 and kill an officer spawn in my first belt and go sell the loot, do i get to claim a 3 bil isk / hour? No, because you dont get an officer spawn every day, week or even month. External factors - beyond your control - determine how much isk / hour you make.

Do i think incursions need to be nerfed? Not sure, you can pull 60-80 mil / hour without min maxing on highsec missions, more if you go insane and use courier contracts to move materials around and only accept good paying missions, missioning for a pro corp etc.

So either take a swing at lvl 4 / highsec incursions, or buff up lowsec / nullsec so you can make a solid 2x the isk for the same effort.
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2011-11-29 03:52:00 UTC
Admiral Yamamoto wrote:
Wallet

All this jabber of incursions lead me to do an experiment.

I ran incursions hard on friday / a few hours saturday / a couple hours on sunday. Here is a link of my wallet with the ticks.

This isn't a made up number, if you calculate it out, youll see a few instances of 100-120 mil an hour, but most hover around 85 ish.

This is because people need to ****, eat, drink etc. You lose competitions, you have to get the ore situation situated to complete the NMC it any timely fashion.

If i go to 0.0 and kill an officer spawn in my first belt and go sell the loot, do i get to claim a 3 bil isk / hour? No, because you dont get an officer spawn every day, week or even month. External factors - beyond your control - determine how much isk / hour you make.

Do i think incursions need to be nerfed? Not sure, you can pull 60-80 mil / hour without min maxing on highsec missions, more if you go insane and use courier contracts to move materials around and only accept good paying missions, missioning for a pro corp etc.

So either take a swing at lvl 4 / highsec incursions, or buff up lowsec / nullsec so you can make a solid 2x the isk for the same effort.


Now add in the LP value beyond just the ISK income.

The LP side is much harder being as you can convert it to any empire faction but at a loss in LP but it does open up ALL empire stores without any extra time nor effort invested. Pick who has the top items you want to buy and go get them.

Just like they do with missions, you need to take the whole into account, not just this or that piece.
Admiral Yamamoto
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#44 - 2011-11-29 03:54:08 UTC
The isk / lp ratio is a drop in the bucket compared to what i made from payouts. I got 205k Concord LP. Assuming i convert it to a faction that turns to 102.5k LP. Assuming that i can pull a 2k isk / lp ratio out of my ass after that, that is 205 million isk...

Compared to the 1.6 billion i made from doing the sites, meh.
Eru GoEller
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2011-11-29 04:02:25 UTC
Ooda wrote:
Spineker wrote:
Ooda wrote:
Quote:
I want to know how to make 100m ISK/h in highsec missions D: I can only do 30


Just farm Enemies Abound 3/5, something arround 70-85 mil/hour without great effort. (you'll need 2 agents with that mission)



How exactly are you going to Farm 3/5 more than once a day?


Just think over that point for more then 1 sec, and you will know. Come on, use your brain.


He has the mission running for 2 agents, ie 2 Enemies Abound. So, 2 * EA 3/5 ~70-85M.
Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
#46 - 2011-11-29 05:02:12 UTC
Easy fix... Just require a certain standing with the particular corp a player is desiring to swap the LP's for. A standing of 8 or 9 would be a reasonable standing.
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#47 - 2011-11-29 06:53:04 UTC
Artreju Woodsparrow wrote:
is this a sarcastic post ? 150m/hr wtf....w/o words... some ppl cant get enough. I'm glad as starter if i have 3 m/hr depends on Mission.


Than you are doing it wrong, sorry about that :)

Remove insurance.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#48 - 2011-11-30 11:24:59 UTC
grazer gin wrote:
People who cry about incursions forget about nullsec carebears running sites in BLUE space with intel channels for the surrounding systems wheres your RISK VS REWARD now

Because there should be no reward for capturing and holding space and securing the borders.

Shoot yourself (in game).

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#49 - 2011-12-01 11:58:21 UTC
If you want high reward with high risk come to wormholes. The rewards here are better than anything else, but the risk requires you to watch constantly.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#50 - 2011-12-01 21:27:42 UTC
Shaotuk wrote:
Easy fix... Just require a certain standing with the particular corp a player is desiring to swap the LP's for. A standing of 8 or 9 would be a reasonable standing.



No thanks to this. Incursions have already dropped navy faction ship prices like rocks while increasing the cost of pirate faction. We don't need to add to this problem.
Harbinger Kyr
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2011-12-01 22:07:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Harbinger Kyr
disregard

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Harbinger Kyr
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2011-12-01 22:07:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Harbinger Kyr
disregard

We are recruiting like-minded individuals. PvP in low sec with eyes set to null. Visit our public channel for inquiries, or message me. Looking forward to it. Public Channel: Psycho Tech Pub
Harbinger Kyr
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#53 - 2011-12-01 22:08:12 UTC
did no one notice how small this guy's monitor is? how do you play this game?

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M Blanc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2011-12-02 11:23:40 UTC
Admiral Yamamoto wrote:
The isk / lp ratio is a drop in the bucket compared to what i made from payouts. I got 205k Concord LP. Assuming i convert it to a faction that turns to 102.5k LP. Assuming that i can pull a 2k isk / lp ratio out of my ass after that, that is 205 million isk...

Compared to the 1.6 billion i made from doing the sites, meh.

CONCORD LP converts to empire LP at 5:4, not 2:1, so you'd actually get 328m for it - i.e. an extra 20% on top of your raw ISK, taking your nominal hourly income from "85-ish" to just over 100...
Admiral Yamamoto
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-12-03 06:27:02 UTC
Harbinger Kyr wrote:
did no one notice how small this guy's monitor is? how do you play this game?


If you are talking about me, did you click the zoom button? My monitor is not small :P
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#56 - 2011-12-03 07:40:58 UTC
Im absolutely 100% convinced that the picture was not Photoshop'd.
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