EVE General Discussion

lol theyd be even more useless after such an idea than before

…so you'd prefer that the CSM just have to take CCP's word for it whenever they say they're working on something, rather than being shown that they are, indeed, working on something?

Half the point of the CSM would be lost if they couldn't be told (and shown) things that aren't public.

If there were no NDA's my job would be gone! Are you saying you want to get rid of jobs?

rofl jk I agree with op

Well i see it this way. a number of years back i was accepted into isd program. One of the first things they tell you is "never ever tell anyone you are a isd member" incase you players dont know, ccp gives you a char to use when on the clock as it were. the reason for this is the use of important and sensitive information for your personal good as well as for corp/alliance benifit. it was well known they would be watching all mails chat logs any kinda of communication on all accts associated with your eve chars.
Lets take for example someone like mittens who has clearly stated in his pr message that he sent a letter to HIS alliance ONLY.
the contents of this letter hasnt been made public fully, but one of the details they did let out was that he stated that it was going to get dirty between csm and ccp. Lets all be honest here like the goons or hate them we all know they are the most scummy alliance around. With the way they scam players to go to the security check website. put in your api. it tells you how much to pay to join. you pay that, then they tell you to contract all your stuff to them for transport. then your either not let in or killed upon arivval and kicked.
so with that said does anyone here think that they are not sharing information via ts3 skype etc! This in and of itself is a violation of nda. if a csm member is going to make a csm mail it needs to go game wide. Not just to his alliance. this in many ways can be considered insider trading.
the flawed ways to elect csm members needs to be looked at. too many mindless ship doing what they are told. i for one think a limit of terms allowed should be instituted. example no back to back terms and no more then 3 terms in 5 yrs. mittens has made it clear that he has been in csm for two years in a row. goons arent going any where soon. so does that mean mittens will be in the csm 3-4-5-6 years. this is not even close to bieng correct as it gives him to much of a relationship with the members of ccp.
we know that carbon was used to test the new ccp games. vampries in space looks cool but will flop. and i hear mittens online will be a dress up game where everyone gets scammed.
just a thought guys stop allowing your selves to be told who to vote for and if you are in those alliances grow a pair.
if your not in those alliance do your research for gods sake and dont just vote for someone becuase they promise isk or favors.

Would be so nice if Mittens or any of the other CSM reps would say something. I'd love to know if buying more crap to make supers is a dumb idea and that I should be spending the isk on ice and subcap bpos instead. But I'm still buying cap component bpos, still putting up towers, and I have no ice. **** you mittens for not breaking the NDA, **** the CSM for abiding by a legal contract, and **** ccp for trying to keep things fair and not have them leaked ahead of time so we can be better prepared to drain the pubbie wallets.


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Princess Trollestia

The OP has a point.

There really is no reason to give NDA information to the CSM.
All it does is open up the potential that someone on the CSM will exploit that information.


Normally you have an outside entity sign a NDA to guard against the possibility of information being leaked out.
Not as a blanket, we will tell you everything now.

CSM can't do anything with the information so why give it to them to begin with.

Because they need it to do their job.

Oh my darling Tippia. CCP can show CSM whatever they want. It doesn't mean CCP is spending any more time on the project than it did to construct something to show them. We really don't know what is being shown to CSM. Preliminary visual constructs are quite easy to produce.

So, in the end, it most certainly could be smoke and mirrors.

Since the CSM has no money riding on me trusting them, yes.
By being able to verify that, yes, CCP is indeed working on changes/additions that the playerbase is asking for and not just sandbagging the issue to spit something out three day before deadline.
…and the use of NDAs means that they can communicate with the players about things that aren't actually ready to be fully scrutinised by every nubbins in the game yet. As Taedrin points out: without the NDA, the CSM would serve no purpose — CCP could just tell us all the public stuff directly and use crowdsourcing-like threads to collect ideas and interest areas.

As we all have said a thousand times, we asked CCP to make the contents of the meeting public. They declined to do so.

CCP comes to us with all sorts of ideas. Some of them are very cool, some are very stupid. If every stupid idea had to be made public, you would be even more mad at CCP.

You also would have an entirely messed up economy. If a CCP dev says something one day about, say, nerfing technetium, the market would fall through the floor, even if we eventually talk CCP out of it. This would have very bad effects on lots of people, and would ruin one of the best parts of EVE. (For the conspiracy theories out there, CCP monitors our accounts just like they watch dev accounts, so no, we cannot make speculative trades based on stuff we hear under the NDA)