Missions & Complexes

1st, I made a Blockade Runner
2nd a cyno alt which I never used.
3rd a bomber.
4th a Covert Ops.
5th a Force Recon ship.
and now that I think of it, I will make a Black Ops.

It is better than a BH BC ship or command ship, since they cannot Jump to Covert Cynos.


That will allow me to jump the other Covert ships (via the Black Ops Jump Bridge).
These include :
- 1. Bomber for extra DPS,
- 2. BR (as JF), plus
- 3. Covert Ops for Exploration.
- 4. Force Recon for added power if available.

The cyno alt has a Clone grade Gamma which can be 65k per cyno + It doesn't need Covert Ops V.


It is what I needed to improve my solo play and better than a BS for that.

(more on that to come. Of course, I could post a Crime & Punishment version related to actual PvP and related Psych War.)


However, it won't let me Mine Ice for fuel in Barges or with Orca which are not Covert.
I could use the fleets Covert ability to scout and verify the security level of the path of the mining fleet.

Edit: 18:30
That would allow for a new Corporation to negotiate fuel prices and fuel market control.
The revenue and income generated by that fleet can be closely monitored to compare with costs.
The profit gained should cover for fuel purchases and the occasional risk to move the mining fleet (potential losses).

It may still be less than Character Bazaar trading profit although the actual amount and percent difference would be found.
That new income / profit ratio could be included in future calculation to compare both venture ratios.

this is like:

hum.. erm.. wtf?

We can't figure out what you're talking about. There's stuff and words, but you're short on points and purpose.

Covert cyno action with support fleet for ratting.


Wow.

Relevant: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=323913&find=unread

Can T3 be used for Covert Jumps? Or with Black Ops?

I read that they can load a Covert Cyno although that it may not allow them to jump through.
I'd probably use a Covert Ops ship to light the cyno, or whichever is the least costly to minimize losses.


I made an error stating about my Cyno Alt.
There may be 1 or a few days left to complete Cyno Field Theory V...
It still wouldn't be able to fly the required ship to equip the device.


It would further increase my learning time however.


Tengu or T3 would definitely be one of the last ship I would use due to their cost.
It would also be easier for me to buy it on the Character Bazaar.


- - -

Of course you understand that for that price I will need to contract more business agreement than 15m worth.
That is 900 times more than 1m or, 60 times more than 15m...

Maybe you guys want to start a partnership or something?


I saw the 4 pages in that thread and I cannot have them printed to read them over tonight.
21:29
I managed to post something @ Leto in it.

I think it should be faster to add a bomber.
The BC couldn't do a 5/10 due to poor tank.
The Black Ops as the same tank.

The best part is that it can carry a fleet in precarious zones which a BC or command ship can't.

It is easier to scout.

I would probably use my rookie ship scout, then drag the Covert Ops in to launch the Covert Ops cyno.
I may switch if the tactic gets targeted to avoid raising suspicious.

Corrections:
1. The Black Ops has the same tank (as the BC tank)...

2. ... , then drag the Covert Ops in to launch the Covert cyno.



What do you mean when you wrote , most of the ones you get go to waste?

Do you mean that the Black Ops Sin that you get go to waste?

anyways...


1.
Force Recon has an 80% less liquid ozone required bonus for cynos and the reduced time it must hold it.
However, the higher cost of the Force Recon doesn't make it the most valuable Covert Cyno ship.
It's cost of 120m + for the hull alone is no match for a 20m Bomber or Covert Ops ship.
Even the BR is more expensive than those previously mentioned 2.

2.
The scout ship is by far the best one to scout zones to Covert Jump.
It is not worth lighting a regular cyno with it since it would give away the Covert fleet position.
However, it will be good for allowing Carriers and other capital ships to jump in, if not indispensable.

3.
Other than that, I should be able to Covert Jump my fleets and prevent most to go to waste.
(Of the ones I get.)


4.
There could be days I'll find other anomalies like Hack sites, Relics, Gas or more with the Covert Ops ship.
I don't have 100% but I think it's possible to have more than 100%, like 120% or more perhaps...


5.
Then there will be the salvaging matter for solo play of course.
Perhaps the best one for that would be a second Black Ops with 8 high slot.
I don't see the point to bring a destroyer with no Covert Jump capability when it is too precarious.
(Except for the fact that it is under a million and maybe less than 10m with Tractor Beams.)

6.
I really don't know much about T3s yet and I think they are more expensive then Black Ops ships.
I may be wrong on the costs though.
I find it harder the way hi, med and lo slots are alloted depending on the chosen subsystems.


7.
Although it has a lot more firepower and potential tank, a larger multi-client fleet is more risky.
If 7/10 or 8/10 difficulty PvE Cosmic Anomaly can be completed, it'd be at a greater risk of loss.
The lag is awful at 3 ships and 4 or 5 is even worst, sometimes over 1 minute.
That is even worst than the time delay because then the system doesn't stop to respond to input.
It processes the input slower, and delivers the output slower, but it doesn't interfere with their functionment.

It is better to lose the most expensive or costly ship than to lose the whole fleet.

The whole fleet could easily be lost if warped scrambled without enough points to stabilize warp.
The Black Ops is 743m.
T3 is 138m.
Force Recon 153m.
BR is 111m.
Bomber is 20m.
Covert Ops are 22m. (one at 2k.)
Rookie ship can be free or under 300-20k.
= 1.187 b ISK.
1 Black Ops is 62.5% of total cost.

Those amounts (or figures, if figuratively, it figures) are without equipment, insurance, repair costs, ammo, etc.
It also doesn't include Covert Ops Cloaks.

8.
Either way, I'll still trade on the Bazaar before I test the ships to see how much more I would make.
I would also know if I make less than on the Bazaar by then as well.
I should be able to find some point to compare.

I'd calculate how many days I make more profit and how much more profit I would make if any more.
Of course, In the same way, I'd also be able to find if I get less profit.

Off topic even if off politic, or partly so...
The biomass is for the poster which slot I'd logically need if I'm to buy a Bazaar character.

Something something dark side has nothing to do with Black Ops or Covert Ops.

Just because I can earn profit doesn't mean that I have to use it to buy friends.


Just because I can count my loss to include in my profit to balance probabilities and facts is not necessarily bad.




The solo aspect has me less worried about time I must devote to online friendship.
I don't have to feel bad about being obligated to do things useless for the greater good of society.
At least if it does happen, I can prevent it and correct it faster myself.


In fact, the whole costs of devoting efforts to Covert Fleets is directly related to being targeted.
Covert activity relates to principles of plausible deniability which is also political.
It is simply applicable to PvE, or paying maybe merc corps to hunt NPCs (+10m for the stolen quote there...).
It is not less costly or more cost effective.
By the time I make my first billion or 500m from it, it will still have cost me over 6b.

Well, yes, ty, and that is why I need to make sure that I have support to get a carrier on site.
There is a no way a carrier would survive to a swarm of over 20 to 50 pilots.
It would have a hard time to target them.


It is no use to cyno other ship than Capitals since only they can jump multiple system away to them.
To Cyno a Black Ops would give it's position when hiding its position is the whole purpose of using it.
The act of denying the enemy, pirate, NPC a target is what makes it so efficient.
That is not all the problems but a good part of the problems solved.

Still, I presume the Covert cyno ship must be able to reach that destination safely before calling the Black Ops and fleet.


The only use for Regular Cynos really are for JF, Capital ships like Carrier, Dreadnoughts, SuperCaps like SuperCarrier and Titan.
I read Rorqual are in the same condition as capital, and JF can gate jump and cyno.

The whole procedure is just so complicated in itself that it still makes it easier to trade on the Character Bazaar.
The Character Bazaar results can then be compared with the ingame results to find the difference.

Just answering this alone took me over 2 days so far.
At least I didn't have to pay much for the time this instance.

I switched my training pilot to BS.
However, it's better to start a new pilot with 3 to 6 months active time to train Black Ops.
Even better than that is to buy one from the Character Bazaar.

I could even buy the boosters for the learning skill bonus at the start but don't have the time.
I'm better to leave my current pilot finish training BC instead to have a Command ship.
It would have completed without changes if I had let it run without changes.


On top of that, to make matters worst, I also paid in other investments to find info related to this.
I might refer to it later but I will leave at that, and unpublished, for now.
(I referred to it on the forums before but it is really not important at all for this Black Ops thread.)