Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You know you can achieve all this with a bait ship and an escort fleet.

I like how you think.

Well actually I was proposing a Frig, Indy, and BC class equivalent. If you put subsystems on the indy version correctly, it would look like an indy ship, but tank like a BC and dps like an assault frig. With that setup I wouldn't think it could outmine a hulk. However other configurations would ideally let it outmine a hulk, or haul somewhere in between your average hauler and a freighter (giving people that much desired middle ground that has been proposed several times. ) as well as other possible roles.

But yes, an indie ship that could fight moderately at a substantial price tag, basically as you say. Mostly I just want more T3 options.

Q-ships exist in EVE. They are called put what you want in your slots. Ever heard of the Battle Badger? It's one of many great Q-ship designs.

What you are asking for is magic. Build your own Q-ships.

Actually I disagree there, the point of a Q-Ship was commerce raider, it was disguised to cause maximum chaos amongst the enemy goods shipping. That wouldn't work in eve so here I would think the tank should hold up better against typical gank groups of several dessies, definitely not several BC's!

try a battle Bestower epic fun

After reading the dev blogs on just providing a new paint scheme for ships, I realized the core game program would require any actual 'q-ship' to havea different class name than the ship it is designed from.

This would defeat the entire concept of the q-ship because the prospective 'attacker/victim' could look on the overveiw or screen display and recognize he was approaching a warship in a bad disguise.

Someone earlier proposed using rigs to convert a miner or industrial to a q-ship. I think this is the way to go, now.

The 'combat rig' could provide a high slot, some capacitor value, and some shield bonus. The disadvantage would be the amount of ore hold or cargo hold the rig would fill.

EXAMPLE:
a 'small combat miner rig' could require 1500 m3 of ore hold. Thus, 3 could be put on a Venture mining frigate and leave very little ore hold for mining operation.
it would add a high slot for a small turret
it would add enough energy and enough shield so 3 of them would effectively double the Venture's power and shield
EACH rig would also add to the regeneration of the shield/capacitor

thus, the refitted Venture would still display as a Venture on the overveiw and the screen, it would now sport 5 high slot (2 are the original mining laser slots), and have a decent shield tank to counter the DPS of the unknowing attacker.

That was my intention for the rigs...would even allow a group of venture to use two mining lasers and fool hunters whilst still having 3 guns each to group shoot the attackers...

Another thing on making rigs to enable miners and industrials to counter suicide gankers...

Rigs can easily be designed by CCP to not be usable outside their intended purpose. Thus, you wouldn't have a player using a ship with EXPENSIVE combat rigs to go ganking in high sec (at least, not more than twice).

CCP can also make the skill requirements high enough so that only experianced players will be using combat rigs. Something like "Jerry-Rigging 5" and max the skills required by the weapons/modules the player may wish to install.

I'm thinking (for the 'small combat miner rig' ) "small energy turret 5", "small hybrid turret 5", "small projectile turret 5", "small missile launcher 5", "small energy vampire 5", ect.

Since the type of rigs I am suggesting deal with the shields and capacitor, the skills required to install the rigs should also be the shiled and engineering.

The rigs may be expensive, but the material to manufacture them should also be rare/expensive.

All this is make the combat rig something a sensible player would NOT use for suicide ganking and to ensure the player using it has the experiance to make best use of it.

thus, the player who wants to go ganking will have to decide if he wants to prepare for an unarmed new player or a disguised veteran player. If he prepares for the new player and meets a vet, he lost his ship to the vet and got no return. If he prepares for the vet and meets a newby, he lost a ship too expensive for the return.

Of course, all this will be for nought if the ganker can still look at the pilot profile and determine the pilot is too experianced for the ship he 'appears' to be flying. CCP would need to change the default displays to NOT display the pilot's name with the ship he's flying.

not if I understand what they are doing. I haven't seen any of the recolored ships, but they wouldn't necessarily have a different name in the overview. also, when they change things up it will be so that they will keep the same core name, thus any ship built that way would have the same name as a normal ship of that class.