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Mooh Bear
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#1 - 2014-03-05 22:55:45 UTC
Hi!

I'm trying to fit the Caldari cruisers, Caracal and Moa, for L2 missions. I like both and use both, as I'm training hybrid and missile together. Here is what I came up with. Those are fits I can fly at the moment, so no fancy T2 stuff (yet, mostly level 3 skills).
The Caracal is tight for CPU and the Moa barely makes it powergrid wise, the 250mm railguns are ogres. The Caracal has 30 min capacitor while the Moa has only 6 min.

Caracal

Low
Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I

Mid
Experimental 10MN Afterburner
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Themic Dissipation Field I

High
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher

Rigs
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Drones
Hobgoblin I x2

Moa

Low
Magnetic Vortex Stabilizer I
Magnetic Vortex Stabilizer I
Fourier Transform Tracking Program
Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I

Mid
Experimental 10MN Afterburner
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Themic Dissipation Field I

High
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun

Rigs
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Drones
Hobgoblin I x3
Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union
#2 - 2014-03-06 03:50:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Rovinia
Use either Heavy Missiles or Heavy Assault Missiles on the Caracal for missions. The Rapid Light Missile Launchers have a high reloadtime and small clips for amo what will be extremly annoying in longer missions.

Try something like that, it will do the job:

Low
Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I

Mid
Experimental 10MN Afterburner
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Themic Dissipation Field I
Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter / Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter (whatever is cheaper)

High
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher / Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher / Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher / Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher / Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher / Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher

Rigs
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
?

Drones
Hobgoblin I x2


I would recommend you to concentrate on Missiles for pve instead of hybrids. You will certainly switch to a Drake for Level 3 missions because it outperforms the Ferox in this branch.*


* My personal opinion, don't want to get angry comments from the Ferox-huggers here. But real men (and women) fly Heavy Assault Missile Drakes. Period. Blink
Mooh Bear
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#3 - 2014-03-06 17:22:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Mooh Bear
Thanks Rovinia, I've looked into heavy missile/heavy assault missile and I'm worried that they're going to have a hard time shooting frigates, which make 90% of targets in L2s. And I need to add fitting modules on the Caracal, I'm short on CPU and powergrid with 5 heavies :(

Edit: I did not notice the target painter in your fit. How much does that help vs frigate?

The set-ups I modifed last night:

Caracal

Low
Muon Coil Bolt Array I
Muon Coil Bolt Array I
Muon Coil Bolt Array I
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I

Mid
Experimental 10MN Afterburner
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Themic Dissipation Field I

High
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher

Rigs
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I

Drones
Hobgoblin I x2

Cap stable, 41.2 km range, missiles 111.5 DPS w/reload, 27160ehp against Kin/Therm (hardeners changed to suit the mission)

Moa

Low
Magnetic Vortex Stabilizer I
Magnetic Vortex Stabilizer I
Fourier Transform Tracking Program
Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I

Mid
Experimental 10MN Afterburner
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Themic Dissipation Field I

High
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun + Lead Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun + Lead Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun + Lead Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun + Lead Charge M

Rigs
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Drones
Hobgoblin I x3

Cap stable, 36+15 km range, railgun 127.8 DPS w/reload, 32807ehp against Kin/Therm (hardeners changed to suit the mission)
Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union
#4 - 2014-03-07 00:23:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Rovinia
Mooh Bear wrote:
Thanks Rovinia, I've looked into heavy missile/heavy assault missile and I'm worried that they're going to have a hard time shooting frigates, which make 90% of targets in L2s. And I need to add fitting modules on the Caracal, I'm short on CPU and powergrid with 5 heavies :(

Edit: I did not notice the target painter in your fit. How much does that help vs frigate?



The Target painter works pretty good, a web would have a bigger effect, but has a much smaller range. For the level 2 Mission Frigates it should do it's job.

I never did Agent missions with Rapid Light Missile launchers, so i can't really say it won't work. At the moment, they get mainly used in pvp, especially after the recent changes. In pve missions, you have lots of rats in every stage and only about 18 shots in your launchers. So you will spend nearly as much time reloading your weapons than doing damage to the rats. But it's a long time since i did Level 2's, if you can clean a mission with 1 or 2 reloads it could be tolerable. Try it out.

I would recommend you to switch to Heavy Assault / Heavy Missiles as a near-term goal. You will need them for Level 3's anyway.


Otherwise, perhaps these two rigs can help you out with your powergrid/cpu problem:

Medium processor overclocking unit I (increases your ship's cpu by 10%)
Medium ancillary current router I (increases your ship's powergrid by 10%)

The Moa fit looks solid. I personally prefer missiles because you can very easy switch to the damage type you need for the rats in your mission, but that's a matter of opinion.