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C1-C4 vs. C5/C6 Space: The Thread
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Alkaizer Augustus
Veiled Intent
#61 - 2014-03-07 00:05:38 UTC
C2 dweller checking in.

I've lived in continuously in w-space for about 18 months now. I've always looked to C4-C6 space as the more pure form of wormhole life, completely unbound to k-space. I suppose it's a somewhat romantic notion, similar to living in the backwoods, where C2 life is probably more akin to camping out next to a Walmart. Sure, there's trees and shrubs, but it's not the same. All jokes aside, I'm happy with my current class of living because it affords me the flexibility in opportunities, either I can go deeper into w-space, or head back out to k-space for easy supplies.

Personally, I'll admit I'm more introverted, but I do attribute some of our alliance's lack of socializing on a good dose of xenophobia. It's something that organizationally we are trying to move away from. Lately, we spend more time networking in-game with people we come in contact with than out of game, like in these forums.

Also, I guess from a perception standpoint, I've always held a preconceived notion that the best stories in w-space come out of C5-C6 space, but there was a point a few months back that we noticed that some of the wormhole failblog stories being shared were on the same level as our own. We've killed a blinged out Kronos and Legion before, and caught our very own Archon, all out ratting in their systems, but at the time it never ocurred to us to share those kills with everyone else. Similarly, we share common opinions with everyone else on the current state of all things wormhole. We have nights where there is nothing to shoot at or we are trying to guide out of corp pilots down a chain successfully, and we worry about corp theft and trying to mitigate the damage of spies.

At some point early last year, we started reaching out to apparent new players to encourage them to stick with w-space and not be scared by the fact they found themselves in a pod so suddenly. As a C2 resident, we do feel a bit of responsbility as a w-space gatekeeper to make sure the barriers to entry out here aren't beyond the reach of average pilots, and the intriguing nature of the whole thing is by far one of the best experiences in EVE thus far. Besides, we want more things to shoot at in the future, not less.

So in conclusion, we do feel like we are a part of the overall community, granted just a few voices out of many.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#62 - 2014-03-07 00:24:06 UTC
Fantastic post. I would encourage any c1-c4 wormhole dweller to share their stories. The best ones are catching the guy running c3 anoms in his Archon haha!

No trolling please
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#63 - 2014-03-07 00:33:14 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Fantastic post. I would encourage any c1-c4 wormhole dweller to share their stories. The best ones are catching the guy running c3 anoms in his Archon haha!



What about us catching a carrier sitting on a highsec -c2 hole then not having enough logi to hold it until reinforcements arrive:(
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#64 - 2014-03-07 00:48:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tul Breetai
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Fantastic post. I would encourage any c1-c4 wormhole dweller to share their stories. The best ones are catching the guy running c3 anoms in his Archon haha!

Seconded. There's a bunch of guys in here arguing about you, for you, so please post your stories.
Allna wrote:
Low-class person checking in (double entendre intended).

My organization... , pls kthx. :)

Excellent post, you make some great points in there.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#65 - 2014-03-07 00:48:26 UTC
Icarus Able wrote:


What about us catching a carrier sitting on a highsec -c2 hole then not having enough logi to hold it until reinforcements arrive:(


That's more of a kick in the nuts than a laugh. I can only imagine your comms when that happened.

No trolling please
BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#66 - 2014-03-07 04:37:59 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Fantastic post. I would encourage any c1-c4 wormhole dweller to share their stories. The best ones are catching the guy running c3 anoms in his Archon haha!


I have one for you.

I jump into the C2 static and see on staticmapper a small bump in NPC kills about 20h previous, which generally means either a grav or ladar has been cleared out, so I decide to logoff at the outer planet and come back later for some mining barge pew fun. I go have dinner come back a bit later, maybe 40 mins before DT. Cloak up, click dscan...
Nidhoggur...
Wait... What...
Click Dscan...
Nidhoggur.
That can't be right so I swap over to the overview I use to find POS's. nope, no POS's out here. Back to combat overview, dscan, Nidhoggur...
I warp to the POS in system, no one else out here, can't see the Nid. He's hiding out at the same area I am. Sweet... Except I'm an Aussie in a Euro Corp in a Euro Alliance... Damn...
I start figuring out how to deal with this with just myself and an alt when it seems Bob heard my calls and my Alliance leader plus a couple of other heavy PvP guys log on within 30 seconds of one another. I tell them whats up and they start burning the 30j's form the LS they're at in random ships. They won't make it in before DT so we hope that the Nid will return post DT. DT comes and goes, we log back in and wait. Two of them get in but the last two are having issues. There's a gatecamp along the way and one of them is in a Myrm. So naturally the Nid logs in now...

I have a choice to make, do I go now and risk losing everything or wait and hope he stays on.
I decide to wait. Me dualboxing a Proteus and Bhaalgorn with just a Stealth Bomber and Pilgrim as backup seems like it's destined to fail.

Before the last two arrive, the Nid logs off.
The last tow guys arrive and a couple more from ou WH log in too. I ask everyone to hang around a bit in case he comes back but to be honest I'm gutted. When the time came I hesitated and went safe, loosing a potential carrier kill.
Time passes, I feel worse and worse about not going for it...

Nid on Dscan, he's back. With a Loki and Orca
My combat probes were already out and positioned so I ding the button, get the 100%, pull them back in and warp on 10. I land just in time to see them warp away. I BM the spot and head in their direction, which happens to be where the POS in system is, thinking the whole time, maybe he lives here and just logs out this way. He's not in POS and leave my dscan again shortly, the other cloaky guys say he's back out their way, so I reload combats, drop them and ding the button again while warping to the last position he was at. I land on grid and get a 100% from them, he's about 300km from me. Warp on up, drop cloak, get lock and call in everyone else. The gang focuses on the Loki while I keep the Nid scrammed and get the Bhaal to work on it's cap. The Orca warps off but no matter, we nuke the Loki.
https://zkillboard.com/detail/31080390/

Gang swaps over to the Nid and we get to work. We loose the falcon to what I'd like to say was being a hero falcon keeping the Nid from swapping targets with it's fighters but to be honest he forgot to BM the WH back out to HS so he couldn't loose them.
https://zkillboard.com/detail/31080553/

Nid eventually caps out and we take it down plus the pod.
https://zkillboard.com/detail/31080655/
https://zkillboard.com/detail/31080661/

Was top kill on Zkill for a few days, stayed in the top 5 for the week. Even got an honorable mention on Jester's Trek. Everyone got a nice payday. Seems like he was just living there, with no connection to the locals just doing sleeper sites.
That WH was so good to me that day, a few hours later while fencing with the locals, this guy sat at a POCO all still and stuff.
https://zkillboard.com/detail/31089752/
https://zkillboard.com/detail/31089763/

Ended up dropping on 3 of the locals with a Talos who were camping a WH, thinking I came from it. They rushed out to me and a Brutix paid the price.
https://zkillboard.com/detail/31090412/
But a hurricane got point on me so I crashed back through the WH they were camping, volleyed a random scout on the far side and exited through it's HS exit, repped up in a station, circled round to the HS exit of the static they were in and reshipped/redropped on top of them with a couple of friends.
https://zkillboard.com/detail/31090440/
https://zkillboard.com/detail/-12847513/
https://zkillboard.com/detail/31092455/

Was a good static :)
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#67 - 2014-03-07 04:47:15 UTC
BayneNothos wrote:
Epic story


Holy crap you lucky sonofa
Karen Galeo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-03-07 08:16:35 UTC
Obil Que wrote:

Where are the resources for these noobie corps to grow past their fear and ignorance without feeling ridiculed or denigrated for what is simply their nature as beginning, fledgling corporations?


<- Here. Chat me up. :D

Author of the Karen 162 blog.
Karen Galeo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#69 - 2014-03-07 08:39:36 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Fantastic post. I would encourage any c1-c4 wormhole dweller to share their stories. The best ones are catching the guy running c3 anoms in his Archon haha!


>.>

Well, it wasn't an Archon. But back before we moved into a C5, our corp was based out of a C2>3/HS, and I'm the training officer for our US Evening group. I had decided to bring the new guys on a caracal roam, since caracals are cheap enough (and I could fly one, I'd only been playing for three months) and they needed some gang roaming experience.

Unfortunately, turnout was pretty thin - we ended up with two pilots, plus my scout alt that had JUST learned covops and stealth bombers. Still, I wouldn't let a small group keep me from looking for things to blow up - maybe I'd get lucky and catch a few miners at an ore site or some industrial that we could pop.

I pushed my Buzzard into our static to begin scanning down the chain... and there were four or five towers on d-scan and a pair of Thanatoses, plus some assorted subcaps. Thanatosi. Whichever. ^^ And I think to myself, "Damn. Two carriers, in a C3? Wow!" and assume they're POS'd up, since I was trying to build good habits, I started d-scanning. Maybe that Domi was out running sites and we could give it a good scare.

But, no... as I started narrowing the d-scan, I realized that both carriers were active, and were not at a POS.

At that realization, I get an immediate adrenaline rush, put the ping out on our corp emergency line, and try to get eyes on them. It takes a couple of warps, but I find the site they are at - sure enough, two thanatoses running a site in their C3 with fighters and drones. I called out on the out of game com line again, hoping we can get a group together.

They finish the site, and one carrier warps off; a noctis drops in and starts salvaging, then they all warp back to their POS. I watch and see what planet they went to, follow after them, find the POS and then eyeball the list of sites in system. Since I hadn't been getting any backup from my corp, I put a call out on a couple of wormhole chats I was in - DTP Podcast and Bobisgreat.

While I was distracted, the carriers warped off to another site; it took me a couple of minutes, but I found them again, around the time that Alec Freeman from The Dark Space Initiative picked up on my ping in Bobisgreat and decided to see if I was for real or just bait.

I got them to our static HS, made some bookmarks to copy over, helped get their own scout in and on grid so they could verify, while the carriers were mopping up the last site in the system. I was worried they wouldn't get there in time.

Still, we caught both carriers, AND the noctis. Praise Bob! \o/
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21730093
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21729992
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21729984

And the Domi and Megathron that warped in to try and help.

I /probably/ should have rolled the hole afterwards, too, but I was a bit high on the fight. >.> Later the corp we ganked stuck a Drake in my C2 and, although it was obviously bait, I pounced on it. Had a nice little brawl with a couple of drakes and a brutix that ended poorly for my side when a navy domi and a myrm joined them

Author of the Karen 162 blog.
Obil Que
Star Explorers
Solis Tenebris
#70 - 2014-03-07 13:31:23 UTC
Waldemar Pawlak wrote:
Obil Que wrote:


Quote:

[17:51:46] Waldemar Pawlak > Hi.
[17:52:17] Waldemar Pawlak > Obil, wake up. i know youre there.

...
[18:10:18] Waldemar Pawlak > im not here to harass you or anything
...
[18:12:30] Waldemar Pawlak > btw, im a good guy.
...
[18:18:27] Waldemar Pawlak > so... Obil... i come in peace, right/


Dude, I assure you my intentions are always good and I came to talk to you in peace.
True, I am watching and I DO enjoy watching...

Now, Wald is really upset. Now I look like some wierdo stalker with no life that skims the forums in pursuit of excitement in bullying small entities. And this is totally not true!

My goal was different... i think.


You'd think you could at least buy me dinner before hitting me up :)
Jackal Willow
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2014-03-07 17:54:18 UTC
C3 dweller checking in.

My story started and ended with a 4 year life as a nullsec enthusiast when I had more time to play the game. I loved the amount of PVP interaction (even if it was sometimes F1 foreplay boredom). Throughout my adventures I got to know a lot of great players from around the world.

Once RL took its chokehold (new job, house) I couldn't login enough times to support an active gameplay anymore. Which also excluded me from taking on any C5/C6 arenas. My close gaming friends already set up in a C3 in order to escape the boredom of nullsec life for awhile, so I decided to join them there for a chance to play the game at my own leisure with no obligations to anyone but myself (and highsec is NEVER for me). I find the seclusion and freedom a nice relief when I do find time to play anymore.

I read countless WH threads and guides before starting my adventure here in the C3 but I think that came from experience as a veteran player (does 78 mil SP character classify as such?). It also eases the transition into WH space when you have the ISK and assets to do so. Everything I moved into here I denoted as "lost" from the beginning. Plus rocking 4 accounts makes doing things on my own relatively easy in the C3 environment.

Do I miss all my capital ships sitting in lowsec collecting dust....sure, but I think the WH poses a different atmosphere of gameplay that I didn't have the chance of experiencing until I actually lived in it. There aren't many people in this game that would feel the same way about WH living as all of you guys do. And that's what makes the game function as it does.

I read these forums at least 3 times a week. It is amusing to read some of the trolls that come from this community, much like all others. But it is also good to read, and understand, what the community's viewpoints on different topics are. That is why I finally felt compelled to respond.

I would encourage the remaining voiceless WH dwellers to do the same. Things only get better when more are involved. And trolls will be trolls, just laugh at their sad social interactions aimed at forcing conflict and move on. Experience is gained by doing.

After all, we all play EVE, not WoW, so we aren't all that horrible of gamers.......
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#72 - 2014-03-07 21:39:27 UTC
I as c4 dweller have been vocal about what needs to be fixed though the items needing fixing as I see it are not unique to wormhole. The are more focused around fixing the pos system in general and also some information improvments for pi (logs so you can see when something went wrong why it went wrong.
Whitelightrr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2014-03-08 00:44:05 UTC
As someone that has done solo C1&2, and C2&3 with a small group of friends; take this for what its worth.

What I/we always perceived as the problem was in the attitude (from some) towards anyone in a lower class. Everyone knows what WH life is like before they step into it, but I've seen countless times a group would just be starting to set up shop and get ran out before they even got started. Yes, part of it was their fault for not being more prepared but part of it also lies with the attackers. Most players just see a target RIGHT NOW and fail to realize if they just let the newer players setup shop they trade a RIGHT-NOW kill for multiple kills down the road. Many a small corps have failed setting up and then given up. We all know this.

The other thing I noticed was the lower classes, again, tend to attract new-to-WH life players. They are instantly criticized and mocked if they dont know EVERYTHING WORMHOLE, so they just keep quiet. Instead of pissing off the wrong group on the forums and risking unwanted attention they just want to avoid it.


That's just been my experiences. Lower class wormholes are typically used by new pilots to get their feet wet into the life. Too often they just never get a chance to really see how fun it is. And they sometimes just don't know enough to weigh in on the conversations.
Senfora Anophis
An Errant Venture
#74 - 2014-03-08 01:44:48 UTC
corbexx wrote:
AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:

The fact you look like you got owned lately in a C3 "*****" hole should probably not be mentioned here.



haha thats funny.

OK really off topic but i just spent 10 minutes looking for a gif of axe from dota 2 saying Dunked or you got dunked
if some one could sort me a funny gif i'll happily pay them (best one if loads do gifs)

I think the big issue is alot from lower classes as people have said want to stay off the radar. Ive found it much easier to just mail people who ask for help on forums, probably have 12 to 15 people i regularly get mails from to help with advice in some way.

I know a few groups used to have training corpsand others who recruit from bigger groups liek drop bears and bni, SSC used to take alot from eve uni (i think)

I think alot of smaller corps are also just mates who dont want to go to larger groups but just do there own thing




Confirming that alots like lower class wormholes.
1c3crysta1
Silent Majority.
Aspartame.
#75 - 2014-03-08 09:26:05 UTC
I have only been living in those C1-C4s and I really feel that they are good for their intended audience. The C4s might need some polishing (dual statics and wanding WHs would make my day), POS mechanics is in dire need of attention and some sort of refining service in that doesn't suck would be great but aside from that, it's fine imho. Those problems I mentioned have been mention over and over again on this forum aswell so I can't really say that I felt a great need to voice my concern for improvements.

As for drawing us in, I can't really say, since we really came to WHs for the solitude and the room to just be ourselves and doing our own thing. While I surely wouldn't mind chatting more with other wormholers, it's not an overly pressing issue and the forum cover much of what's needed in that regard. I haven't looked into for quite a while, but a real public channel would be nice.

While there's no doubt are benefits for having more people around (more activity, more possibilies, less logistical burden), forcing my friends (who rather stay as we are) to a change feels remote. While we could do some cooperation with another corp and size up that way, status quo is quite nice. I mean, the resources are fine, we're managing quite nicely and with less people around, it's easier to do whatever the hell I want at the moment. It's pretty much like being my own boss compared to be just a member of the pack. The only problem that's hard to deal with is pleasing bob, because as you all know that in pvp, bigger is better.
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2014-03-09 21:31:32 UTC
Did anyone forget about the tiger ears blog?
Lots of C1-c4 stories there!
http://www.tigerears.org/
In any case glad to see a lot of people starting to talk at least!

No local in null sec would fix everything!
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#77 - 2014-03-10 00:19:58 UTC
unimatrix0030 wrote:


In any case glad to see a lot of people starting to talk at least!


This.

No trolling please
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#78 - 2014-03-10 04:18:44 UTC
C2 dweller here. For us, we love having two statics. A quick path to kspace makes logistics a breeze and can lead to some fun fights as other wormhole groups or divers find our kspace K162 and come through to bait. The other static going into higher-class space means with enough scouting through the chain we can almost always find sites or pew (though lately I've noticed fewer corps we run into fight unless they absolutely have to). All in all it's good fun, and for me at least I care less about the crazy ISK C5-C6 space has to offer and more about a casual environment to do creepy cloaky PVP in.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever
Bleedingthrough
#79 - 2014-03-10 14:42:28 UTC
Senfora Anophis wrote:
corbexx wrote:
AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:

The fact you look like you got owned lately in a C3 "*****" hole should probably not be mentioned here.







You totally did not understand my pussy comment, but that is ok. I have the deepest respect for lower class wormhole dwellers that fight. It needs brains to provide content for yourself and your neighbors with the limited recourses in ISK and quantity of pilots such homes usually offer. Pussies are pussies and you have them in every class of WHs.

I strongly belief, that going up in WH classes is not a matter of progression in the game but a matter of choice of playstyle. We (RN) been in a C6 and didn’t like it. Currently we dwell in a C4/C3 and plan on moving to a C2/null/C5.
tgl3
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2014-03-10 15:47:48 UTC
unimatrix0030 wrote:
Did anyone forget about the tiger ears blog?
Lots of C1-c4 stories there!
http://www.tigerears.org/
In any case glad to see a lot of people starting to talk at least!

On top of this, Penny (the blog's author) only has a half dozen people in her wormhole (the rest of the corp live in a C5), so it's also a good example of low-numbers living.

Not much else to add myself, since I live in a C5 and am more interested in reading replies from others anyway. Keep on posting!