Player Features and Ideas Discussion

but if you then prevent a ship that's just utilized a jump bridge from lighting a cyno for, oooooooh, 60-300s, depending on balance..... maybe make that number dependent upon the number of ships or tonnage that just jumped through with it..... that COULD make some interesting mechanics.....

Sounds like you are using one broken mechanic to justify another. Needing to shove 1 billion pilots into a system for every Sov warfare event is broken and so is Titans crawling 1 meter out of a forcefield, bridging and then crawling back in completely safe the whole time.

Perhaps. But until the base mechanic that gives an incentive to packing 2k people in a system for defense is fixed, we need a way to quickly shove our own 2k into system as well.

And titans don't even need to leave the POS shield, you just have to be within 2500M of them in order to catch the bridge.

Yes the logistics and coordination of it would require far more effort the bigger your fleet is, meaning greater strategy and brain power would be involved in mass sov fights.

Large coalitions with hundreds of Titans won't be hindered quite as much, it just means they would be required to actually use more resources more often, and more tactfully. And hey they have the isk and resources, it's their right to have that power.

I think slowing down the feed of pilots in to a single system would have a positive effect on server lag also.

Ahh... No. 1 LY? You don't fly any capitals do you? Or any Blops. There are many systems out there which are not even within 1LY of ANY other system.

Travel cyno is no huge deal. There is nothing in either idea to address the "issue" of force projection across the galaxy, it just makes it impossible to cyno into a hostile system.

Just a return to whoever is willing to show up first and camp gates wins. (And that does not necessarily mean the defenders, the aggressive side has been known to show up hours and hours in advance just to make sure they are in first)

What is it about this topic that makes it so even those with no experience in the subject come out of nowhere to post their idea without any understanding of the effects?

I like the idea of a cyno using cap.

What I mean by this is that for every x amount of mass that goes through the cyno, y amount of cap is spent.

Once the cyno ship runs out of cap, no other ships can pass through. until the cyno ship gets more cap.

This would add a unique way to prevent a rookie ship from instantly cynoing in a full 250 man battleship fleet, yet give neuts and cap transfers a way to manage a cyno ships ability to cyno.

Any cyno changes made independently of sov changes that deters massive defensive fleets still needs to be made with the understanding of how fights work on a sov war level.

Cyno changes that prevent another fleet from entering a camped system with ease in a non cynojammed system result in fights that don't happen, because the logistical inability to quickly get enough people into system to have a reasonable fight means that you either need to try and form up hours and hours in advance to make sure you are first in system (completely unfun) or don't form up at all (no fun there, for either side).

This is a game, the PvP'rs are here to PvP. Changes without clear purpose that deter fighting on a large scale due to giving one side an overwhelming advantage, or because the logistical effort required to get a fleet into a system multiplying by a factor of 10 or more, are inherently toxic to the game, especially to smaller groups without dozens of titans.

Even a very low mass limit won't prevent a mass limited instant combat cyno from bridging 40 cruisers (5ish BS's of mass) on top of a roaming gang. It won't prevent covops cloaky campers from Blopsing 20 frigates onto a ratter (just a few cruisers of mass). If spoolup travel cynos without mass limits still exist, It wont prevent a 250 man carrier fleet crossing 8 regions in under an hour.

All it does is make actually getting into a system to have a fight harder once you get there, and far far harder to bring in caps or supcaps to desirable locations on a grid. It won't make titan bridge hotdropping any harder. It either restricts Blops to bridging only bombers and Asteros (plenty of dps to kill any ratter), or it establishes a mass high enough to not matter much, permitting you to bring the usual BO gang mix.

These cyno changes still do nothing to address the main issue of jump drives and titan bridges, which is fast paced travel across the universe. The ability to quickly titan bridge people into a combat system from within a single bridge interval has never been an issue when discussing balance choices as it is not perceived to be unbalanced by the vast majority.

But if anyone has any arguments for exactly why inhibiting fights while not changing the toxic parts of jump drives is a good idea, I'd love to hear them. If all you are whining about is how cloaky campers ruin your day by threatening to blops your ratting ship, well, CCP has been ignoring you for years, I don't doubt they will continue to do so.

This is where cap boosters can come in when lighting the first cyno.

Now imagine you had a half dozen people designated in your fleet as the beserkers from Lord of the Rings Two Towers. They are equipped with a cap xfer and a back up cyno and feed cap to the current cyno to get the rest of the fleet in. You also bridged a ceptor to ensure that the carrier you are hotdropping doesn't get away.

Yes during this time your fleet might not get a chance to take the bridge. However it also gives the roaming fleet a chance to counter a cyno that was just lit on their fleet.

The capacitor way to limit mass would be a much better approach then having a flat, this cyno on x ship can only bridge y mass every 5 minutes. It would also mean that you don't need 5 titans to bridge an entire fleet because you need a cyno for every wing.

I could even see the implementation of a rig that increases the mass per cap ratio if this mechanic would see the light of day.

Whoa, talk about combining multiple bad ideas into one. Impressive.

Since when it was hot topic ? did I miss Dev Blog or whine thread somewhere ?