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Dev blog: Ship Painting Pilot Program

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Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#281 - 2014-03-06 21:18:20 UTC
Lost my interest at "PLEX" and "Aurum".

Clearly, you didn't learn.

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Ali Aras
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#282 - 2014-03-06 21:18:26 UTC
Jessica Danikov wrote:

It's just kinda sad to be seeing 'we really want to develop this feature, so give us lots of money on a stop-gap implementation and we might do more'. If you want to do that... just do a kickstarter or something- I can't and won't be buying these skins as they are, but I would put £30 towards a project for it done right (have pledge levels and promise a certain number of skin tokens or other benefits- the usual exponential increases for pledges).

So, uh, I guess we need a 'plex for features' thing in-game?

An effective pilot test of a program will have different success goals depending on what the program is. Some ship skins will be sold for AUR, so it makes sense to test them with ship skins sold for AUR, as well as ship skins sold via in-game methods. As someone else on the thread pointed out, if police comets are wildly popular and other skins are not, it's a sign that perhaps the EVE community doesn't like the AUR component.

For another feature, a test would include people using that feature more and interacting with it and finding it valuable, which is unlikely to involve AUR. CCP gets money when those features succeed too, in the form of greater subscription retention. So, no, we don't need 'plex for features'.

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Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#283 - 2014-03-06 21:22:52 UTC
Ali Aras wrote:
Jessica Danikov wrote:

It's just kinda sad to be seeing 'we really want to develop this feature, so give us lots of money on a stop-gap implementation and we might do more'. If you want to do that... just do a kickstarter or something- I can't and won't be buying these skins as they are, but I would put £30 towards a project for it done right (have pledge levels and promise a certain number of skin tokens or other benefits- the usual exponential increases for pledges).

So, uh, I guess we need a 'plex for features' thing in-game?

An effective pilot test of a program will have different success goals depending on what the program is. Some ship skins will be sold for AUR, so it makes sense to test them with ship skins sold for AUR, as well as ship skins sold via in-game methods. As someone else on the thread pointed out, if police comets are wildly popular and other skins are not, it's a sign that perhaps the EVE community doesn't like the AUR component.

For another feature, a test would include people using that feature more and interacting with it and finding it valuable, which is unlikely to involve AUR. CCP gets money when those features succeed too, in the form of greater subscription retention. So, no, we don't need 'plex for features'.

The real test will be if skins keep selling after people run out of the free aurum they got way back when.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#284 - 2014-03-06 21:24:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
"CSM Ali Aras" wrote:
... it's a sign that perhaps the EVE community doesn't like the AUR component.


Roll

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Lukas Rox
Aideron Technologies
#285 - 2014-03-06 21:25:20 UTC
Uncle Shrimpa wrote:
NOW, you have a f&%king clue about micro-transactions and how to make money.

$50 monocles - YUCK
$2 for a pink ass Erebus - sign me up scotty

Now, how do we get it past the "Think about it stage" and can we dock an Erebus to paint it pink :) LOL


Exactly my thinking! As long as microtransactions don't bring pay-to-win, and they are micro, it's a win-win. And since they are indeed micro, I am more than likely to buy some skinned Rokhs or Hyperions. At least one each.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#286 - 2014-03-06 21:27:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Lukas Rox wrote:
Uncle Shrimpa wrote:
NOW, you have a f&%king clue about micro-transactions and how to make money.

$50 monocles - YUCK
$2 for a pink ass Erebus - sign me up scotty

Now, how do we get it past the "Think about it stage" and can we dock an Erebus to paint it pink :) LOL


Exactly my thinking! As long as microtransactions don't bring pay-to-win, and they are micro, it's a win-win. And since they are indeed micro, I am more than likely to buy some skinned Rokhs or Hyperions. At least one each.


How many $2/2€ do you want to pay considering a ship loss rate of 20 ships/month?

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Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#287 - 2014-03-06 21:28:41 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Strata Maslav wrote:
Based on the current high price of plex we have:
1 plex = 654,000,000 isk = 3500 Aurum

T1 Frigate skin = 45 Aurum = 8,400,000 isk
T1 Battleship skin = 350 Aurum = 65,400,000 isk

In my opinion expensive but not so much that I wouldn't want to fly it in space.


Ultimately my concern boils down to obtaining aurum. The only in game option is to either reprocess a PLEX (costing 650m) to skin my Loki, the only ship I'd probably considering doing this for other than a ship I never lose (suitcase carrier perhaps, Hello Kitty anyone?) so the effective cost is much higher than a few million isk as I wouldn't buy any other items with AUR.

Will players be able to trade/buy/sell aurum? And I assume that blueprints will be able to be contracted just as pirate BPCs are now.


Player... market... exists...

Nobody needs to convert a full PLEX to AUR to buy one BPC. Just buy it from someone else. The BPCs will be contractable, and pre-painted ships will be sold on the standard market.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#288 - 2014-03-06 21:29:54 UTC
Crasniya wrote:


Player... market... exists...

Nobody needs to convert a full PLEX to AUR to buy one BPC. Just buy it from someone else. The BPCs will be contractable, and pre-painted ships will be sold on the standard market.


For a premium price, which makes them useless to use in PVP.

That. IS. NOT. acceptable!

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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#289 - 2014-03-06 21:30:29 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:

This requires more development time, and while an interesting option, we would first like to see if there is enough demand for ship paints. I think everyone can agree that it would be not so good to spend resources on a project that no one wants in the end.

Ou my, best troll - CCP troll. Lol Now where is my Kor-Azor paint jobs!?

Now all jokes aside, pretty cool idea CCP.

Ali Aras wrote:
Altrue wrote:

You've been nicely formatted indeed Big smile

But I don't think CCP hired anyone for this so this is effective dev time wasted.

It's art time, and specifically a pilot so's *not* to waste dev time.

Art department don't have other things to do I guess.
Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
#290 - 2014-03-06 21:31:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Edward Olmops
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Lukas Rox wrote:
Uncle Shrimpa wrote:
NOW, you have a f&%king clue about micro-transactions and how to make money.

$50 monocles - YUCK
$2 for a pink ass Erebus - sign me up scotty

Now, how do we get it past the "Think about it stage" and can we dock an Erebus to paint it pink :) LOL


Exactly my thinking! As long as microtransactions don't bring pay-to-win, and they are micro, it's a win-win. And since they are indeed micro, I am more than likely to buy some skinned Rokhs or Hyperions. At least one each.


How many $2/2€ do you want to pay considering a ship loss rate of 20 ships/month?


I think if you lose 20 Erebuses per month, MAYBE, just MAYBE you can afford the paint. ;-)
(and it is not that they would be unusable in regular colors)
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#291 - 2014-03-06 21:36:16 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Crasniya wrote:


Player... market... exists...

Nobody needs to convert a full PLEX to AUR to buy one BPC. Just buy it from someone else. The BPCs will be contractable, and pre-painted ships will be sold on the standard market.


For a premium price, which makes them useless to use in PVP.

That. IS. NOT. acceptable!


Realistically, if you're going to lose your spaceship in a week, bothering to paint it and give it a name is probably a waste of some emotional attachment you should devote elsewhere.

Every feature is not meant for use in PvP. Even if they do make for more hilarious PvP targets.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#292 - 2014-03-06 21:36:43 UTC
Edward Olmops wrote:

I think if you lose 20 Erebuses per month, MAYBE, just MAYBE you can afford the paint. ;-)
(and it is not that they would be unusable in regular colors)


Roll Thanks for that input but I'm more thinking about other, more mundane ships that you regularly lose...

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#293 - 2014-03-06 21:39:34 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Edward Olmops wrote:

I think if you lose 20 Erebuses per month, MAYBE, just MAYBE you can afford the paint. ;-)
(and it is not that they would be unusable in regular colors)


Roll Thanks for that input but I'm more thinking about other, more mundane ships that you regularly lose...


then you don't paint them?

Honestly, again, trial program, changes coming eventually. Don't paint a ship you might lose. Or if you do, don't lose it. Simple as that

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Lilliana Stelles
#294 - 2014-03-06 21:44:23 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Crasniya wrote:


Player... market... exists...

Nobody needs to convert a full PLEX to AUR to buy one BPC. Just buy it from someone else. The BPCs will be contractable, and pre-painted ships will be sold on the standard market.


For a premium price, which makes them useless to use in PVP.

That. IS. NOT. acceptable!



It's all about epenis. risk vs. reward. Of course you pay a premium price for it. It's a shiny that shows up on someone else's killboard and gives them giggles and makes you primary. But that same shiny ship will also show up on everyone else's killboard when you kill them with it. Why do you think we've had revenant kills? Most bears and pvpers alike would rather put theirs ships to use and show them off rather than let them sit around and collect dust, price point aside. And it's not like they're *that* expensive.

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scimichar
Deep Hole Explorers of New Eden
#295 - 2014-03-06 21:44:40 UTC
Tavin Aikisen wrote:
Lost my interest at "PLEX" and "Aurum".

Clearly, you didn't learn.


Clearly you didn't read.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#296 - 2014-03-06 21:46:34 UTC
But I want to use this feature, I want to fly painted ships and I want to blow other ships up with my painted ships. That's the point of it. Roll What I don't want to have is a painted Punisher that cost me 300M because of the paint, that's plain stupid.

Quote:
Every feature is not meant for use in PvP. Even if they do make for more hilarious PvP targets.


Are you kidding me? This statement is so wrong in a game that is apparently PVP only. Roll

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#297 - 2014-03-06 21:53:10 UTC
Uncle Shrimpa wrote:
NOW, you have a f&%king clue about micro-transactions and how to make money.

$50 monocles - YUCK
$2 for a pink ass Erebus - sign me up scotty

Now, how do we get it past the "Think about it stage" and can we dock an Erebus to paint it pink :) LOL



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voetius
Grundrisse
#298 - 2014-03-06 21:56:27 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
What about killmails - will they show custom paint and its ISK price? I imagine people may want to hunt down ships with rare/expensive painting.


"When your painted ship is destroyed, well… then it is destroyed. Yes, this destruction will be supported in killmails."

That doesn't say anything about isk price. But I'm sure people will want to get the killmails just for bragging rights anyway.
Dharkhen
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#299 - 2014-03-06 21:59:48 UTC
Awesome! Buying some AUR now.
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#300 - 2014-03-06 22:00:23 UTC
Just like any other variant of a ship, there'll be a market price from resellers that can be used to estimate it's value on killboards.

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