Ships & Modules

RLML and HMLs have come and gone!

However I assure you this isn't that kind of thread.

It is actually a thread about caldari utility or lack thereof in the cruiser class.

RLML did a lot of damage to everything but we all know those changes. The after affect is cruisers without utility highs or a drone bay capable of tickling an interceptor. I am in belief leaving medium sized missiles as is would be acceptable if there was a consideration for a better drone bay on caracal hulls (including cerb). If you look at other cruisers just about all of them have a way to get a scram frigate off of them except the maller, moa(which is getting a significant speed and cap buff anyways) but most importantly the caracal!

The flagship hull for caldari. Neutless and rocking a massive 30ish dps from warriors. If we look at minmatar, gallente and even Amarr you find tools for ridding you of rude frigates. Neuts, drones, and applicable damage in form of tracking and transversal manipulation.

Assuming the caracal is ham fit which is viable pvp. You could argue it already does too much dps but fitting is very tight and your tank is nothing to be proud of like with the maller, which is the only other ship I believe has no protection from a single good frigate.

The point I am making in this exaggerated post is what really irks me isn't bad ham application on frigs or RLML burst mode. It is I fact the drone bay and utility lacking line of ships.

So...
dear Abby

Is it fair the weapon system with the least dps to frigs has no drones or neut to remove a malediction scram?

From cautious caracal

ham caracal should have a web
Anything you would be able to hit with a medium neut you can web

Sounds fine to me. No change necessary.

Whereas quality posts about the best (even after the nerf) T1 anti-frig cruiser being unable to kill an intie are acceptable?

Sounds like you have a decent choice there.

How can you only fit one web? If you're only fitting to take on frigs, you can even do an AAR-fit with lots of free mids for tackle - or you could fly single-lSE+DCU and go dualweb. It doesn't matter what is good to fit in general. If you want to take on frigs with any cruiser, you better fit for it. People run their thoraxes into null with dualrep, dualprop, a scram only - so they can take on cruisers, battlecruisers, battleships - but hardly frigates or tanked ceptors. Others are taking their active vexors in there, no AB but full tackle - their engagement profile is even smaller than your caracal's. People run dualprop SFIs around, possibly one of the most dangerous ships for poorly piloted frigates, yet they die to a single dramiel.
Either make compromises and fit your ship for what you want to do, or simply don't complain that the ship you fly really can't do everything at once.

Else, like the above said: Fighting frigates? Use rapid lights. Don't be a baddie and stick to HAMs for that job.

In my opinion the problem with Caldari is the poor damage application for heavy missiles. Firgate and Battleship sized launchers are in a good place. Cruiser sized launchers though ...

Some drones would be nice too, but I can live without.

RHML are a BS sized turret and the Moa doesn't use launchers. There's a huge difference in damage application of heavy missiles vs a ABing or a MWDing target. The increase in speed is directly proportional to the amount of applied damage. I'm sure you can find the damage application formula for heavy missiles yourself, but feel free to do the math. The Caracal is average compared to the other cruisers. There are definitely better choices out there.

People getting mad over not having an I win button.

Caracal is a great ship.

This really, also people are still stuck in old memes about what a ship is for and how it was/should be used. Stuff got changed, adapt.