Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I dont fly a lot of missile ships, so maybe this is just goofy...

Rather than applying the bonus damage on certain hulls to one specific kind of missile, apply that damage bonus to any missile fired.

For instance, You have a Drake with 50% Kinetic Damage bonus using a Thermal missile... It deals 100 thermal damage and the bonus deals 50 Kinetic.

This resolves the pigeonholing of the damage while retaining some of the predictability of the damage type. You will still want to insure you are well covered in Kinetic when facing Caldari (or Explosive when facing Minmatar, and Kin/Therm when facing Gurista), but you don't get to just discount the damage all together when they arent using kinetic missiles.

Um.... No.

That either buffs all the other non bonused missiles to the same raw damage level as the type with the bonuses, or you now need to implement a nerf to the other missiles specific to that hull in order to bring them back down to the previous level of total damage, at which point they are even less useful then they were previously.

Also issues with missiles that were previously doing pure damage of one type now doing weird mixtures of things like EM/Kinetic.

But frankly, the major issue is that you don't have a reason why kinetic only bonused ships deserve to have that same bonus applied to the raw damage output of the other missile type. This would be a major buff to all kinetic bonused ships without having any drawback, and such a buff needs a lot of support to justify.

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Im fairly certain the ships have a damage specific bonus intentionally. If CCP meant for them to have a damage bonus across all missile colors wouldnt they have simply given the ship a ROF bonus?

I wish my blasters could deal em damage.

Talwar.

OP, there are a couple of reasons that you get specific damage bonuses to missile ships. For example, you see a lot of Kinetic missile bonuses in Caldari hulls because Caldari favor Kinetic damage, and because their ships would have to be nerfed somewhere else otherwise.

Remember, damage type bonuses exist to LIMIT a hull. Its completely intentional, and what you are asking for is just to buff a lot of missile ships.

Ok, so how are we nerfing it to compensate?

Because the proposed idea is a major buff to current kinetic bonused ships, assumed to be at an appropriate level of overall power. 25% increase in the damage deal when using the other three races of missiles is a significant buff that would move them above the intended level of power. Regardless of if the extra damage is kinetic, it's still 25% more damage overall.

Oh and I think Butler answered the explosive question: It's the Talwar. The Breacher no longer has an explosive bonus, if it had one. (No clue, I have not flown t1 dessies or frigs at all since long before the reworks and new dessie additions.)

Full stop.

Let's never use the Phoenix in any way as a balancing point ever again. It's so bad that the best use for one is a scanning Phoenix for closing or suicide closing WH's.

Edit: Cerb gets a kinetic bonus, if we want to talk about a kinetic bonused ship lets use that, not the abomination that is a Phoenix.

You dont need to nerf it to compensate. The limit is still there, the bonus is still focused where it always was.

It simply returns the flexability the weapon is supposed to have without allowing the pilot to focus the DPS where he wants it.

Caldari are only considered Kinetic focused because of that bonus. Nothing else points to it and nothing in what I suggest changes that.

This is not a huge buff to these hulls. They are already capable of the dps, and this does not change that. It does not even change the balance in how you set up a tank if you know you will be facing them.

It removes an arbitrary penalty for daring to use one of the supposed benefits of the weapon, without removing the downside of that penalty at all.

about Cerberus, I check and it turn out that Cerberus do get a lot of dps with kinetic just from quick glare over basic fit over other HAC.

so, idk now if it is good idea or not

there are a few ships that need to be addressed so maybe need to be focus each instead this idea?

You mean in terms of scifi tech? Sure.

Caldari are all about efficiency. Thier launcher systems use technology usally applied in the accelerator mechanisms of hybrids to create a compression field on fuel storage to save space. This field has the happy side effect of making the missile frame much denser upon impact, imparting extra kinetic energy along with the warhead's payload.

The Minmatar attempted to copy this design, but their ship engineering didnt have the capability to create the extremely controlled currents required to keep the field stable. The result is that upon impact the field suddenly destabilizes resulting in a complete cookoff of the remaining fuel and a substancial explosion at the point of impact as well as the damage caused by the warhead.

The Gurista have had more sucess in this field, and while their alterations to the ship do not allow for the precision of the unaltered Caldari power systems, the result is a more focused blast at the point of impact, delivering both Kinetic and Thermal damage, though only about half of each.

Fluff is easy, even if its some of the funnest part.