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General probing question? why cant i scan down anomalies
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Burnz Andven
Lincoln industry Corporation
#1 - 2014-03-01 22:37:38 UTC
So as im new to probing ive been generally probing in high sec getting used to the method. After a couple of weeks ive naturally been improving finding wh, ore sites etc. but now ive noticed i dont seem to be able to get a reading on certain anomalies when i believe im right on the spot using pinpointing on the anomalies, i know i dont have the skills to pinpoint relic sites at the minute but i dont get any reading at all, with my skills improving with time why cant i get a single reading? im assuming im missing something maybe quite basic, any advice appreciated.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#2 - 2014-03-01 23:32:49 UTC
Hard to work out what your doing right/wrong without screenshots or video or something.

There are some high end sites in wormhole space (and certain wormholes) that you do need decent scan skills to get anywhere much at all with the sig.
TXG SYNC
Dad Jokes R Us
#3 - 2014-03-01 23:41:18 UTC
Burnz Andven wrote:
...missing something....


It's not necessarily just you. I experienced a similar symptom yesterday that I probably should have reported. I'd warped to a Relic site that I'd scanned down. I saw a large number of sentry drones left by the individuals who saw my probes on scan and skedaddled. The drones were still being shot by the Sleepers.

I centered combat probes on the relic site. At 4au, I could clearly see the signatures of the Garde IIs. At 1AU, they just disappeared. It was odd.

So therefore it's possible you're encountering a bug. I'm going to see if I can reproduce this bug on Sisi before reporting it.

You might be experiencing a phenomenon I call "ghosting". That is, you scan and two sites show up for one site. It's because given the triangulation of your probes, it could be at one of two separate locations. Without changing size of the probe ball, move it over each one to determine which one is the "real" one, and which is the ghost. Once you've ruled out the ghosted version of the site, you might be able to scan it down.

The other problem you're probably encountering is that of scan deviation. There's a random scan deviation to your probes. Try re-centering over the signature and only going down one level of scan at a time: i.e. 8au down to 4au, to 2au, to 1au, etc. If you re-center and try to reduce the size of your probe ball simultaneously, due to scan deviation you're often completely missing the target with low skills.

It helps to have a purpose-built boat for scanning. You want to increase the scan strength of your probes and reduce your scan deviation. Here's a common Magnate fit that I use. The Sisters Core Probes help a great deal, as do the rigs and mid-slot scanning arrays.

[Magnate, Max Probe]

Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Scan Pinpointing Array I
Scan Rangefinding Array I

Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Prototype Cloaking Device I
[Empty High slot]

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
[Empty Rig slot]


Hornet EC-300 x3
Hobgoblin II x2
Salvage Drone I x3
Rastin Crysknife
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-03-02 01:47:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Rastin Crysknife
Check your filter.

Bob is always present, watching you traverse space accessable only though wormholes. He is the constant reminder that there is always someone watching you, waiting for your moment of weakness to appear and claim his toll for collecting the bounty of his realm.
Burnz Andven
Lincoln industry Corporation
#5 - 2014-03-02 09:34:35 UTC
Thanks for the replies.

Im currently using a probe in high sec to scan down these sites. The problem i was encountering was when im on center of the signature can reduced the scan area. I can relate to what you call "ghosting" as ive seen some myself but im no authority on the subject. The skills i have arent none existent, i have some skills. I just didnt think in high sec areas i would get no reading at all, as ive said i know i cant scan the relic sites down yet but atleast i get a reading off them. I will take your advice and adjust the filters etc. Will it effect it if someone also scanning in the area? just wondering
GKFC
Quis Leget Haec
#6 - 2014-03-03 02:34:48 UTC
Post a pic / vid?

Hard to see what you're doing exactly...
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#7 - 2014-03-03 12:25:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
You can't scan anomalies. They are marked for warp-in upon jump into that system (combat-snoms, oresites).

The red spot only indicates the rough position. So when you're doing drops like 8AU→2AU, you're pretty certain to miss the signature by a big margin at low scanning skills.

Rroff wrote:
There are some high end sites in wormhole space (and certain wormholes) that you do need decent scan skills to get anywhere much at all with the sig.


That pretty much got fixed with the 8-probe default. Using an exploration frigate, there is no chance to not scan a sig in a wormhole anymore. Even in a cynabal with astro III you can scan near everything but the smallest band in wormholes (i.E. no vitals, instrumentals, K346, D792 etc.) and everything but the smallest two categories in k-space (since the smallest sigs in k-space are half in size compared to w-space ever since they doubled the sigstrength for tiny holes like D364 and M267)
Burnz Andven
Lincoln industry Corporation
#8 - 2014-03-04 12:50:24 UTC
After playing around with abit more now, i've experienced more of this "ghosting" and believe i could have been scanning down the wrong one which would explain the 0 reading when on top of the red dot. I did notice that this happend more when i jumped through a stargate and had the scan tool bar already open. I'm not saying the two are directly related just and observation. Thanks for all the replies so far.
Kalseth
Anomalous Existence
#9 - 2014-03-05 18:16:54 UTC
Without a visual it is hard to tell for sure what you are talking about. Sometimes when you scan and you get a week return instead of giving you a red sphere of where to look it will give you 2 red dots. One is the right one one is not the right one (always put the on furthest from your probs when rescanning) If you pick the wrong dot it will give you no return .. since it is a ghost dot .. pick the right dot and you can scan like normal.
Chad Wylder
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#10 - 2014-03-06 04:49:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Chad Wylder
To give some more info on the "ghosting" effect being described, the different types of feedback your probes can give you are based on the number of probes that "see" the signature.

The most basic type of feedback is a large red sphere, which happens when only one probe is in range of the signature. Something to keep in mind is that the signature is somewhere close to the edge of the sphere, not inside it. What your probe is doing is telling you the distance it is from the signature, and that sphere shows every location that is that distance away.

When only two probes see a signature, it'll show a red ring. This results from the intersection of two of those single probe "red spheres."

When three probes see a signature, you get two dots. This results from the intersection of three of those single probe "red spheres."

And if you have four or more probes in range, you get a single red dot. Which is what you want.

Here's an animated gif to try to help explain. Keep in mind the spheres shown are the results from your probes, not the probe's full scan range. (So the "red sphere" result rather than the probe's scanning bubble)

http://i.imgur.com/p91DD7b.gif?1


Also, just to be clear, you're not trying to scan down the anomaly sites that already show up as full green bars correct? Because those don't need to be scanned down.
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-03-06 07:52:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
Chad Wylder wrote:
To give some more info on the "ghosting" effect being described, the different types of feedback your probes can give you are based on the number of probes that "see" the signature.

The most basic type of feedback is a large red sphere, which happens when only one probe is in range of the signature. Something to keep in mind is that the signature is somewhere close to the edge of the sphere, not inside it. What your probe is doing is telling you the distance it is from the signature, and that sphere shows every location that is that distance away.

When only two probes see a signature, it'll show a red ring. This results from the intersection of two of those single probe "red spheres."

When three probes see a signature, you get two dots. This results from the intersection of three of those single probe "red spheres."

And if you have four or more probes in range, you get a single red dot. Which is what you want.

Here's an animated gif to try to help explain. Keep in mind the spheres shown are the results from your probes, not the probe's full scan range. (So the "red sphere" result rather than the probe's scanning bubble)

http://i.imgur.com/p91DD7b.gif?1


Also, just to be clear, you're not trying to scan down the anomaly sites that already show up as full green bars correct? Because those don't need to be scanned down.


That gif made me hard... Shocked

pressed to believe the scanning system is so simple! Big smile

♞
BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#12 - 2014-03-06 13:58:24 UTC
As an addendum, if you're looking for a way to learn to combat probe, grab an Extended Launcher, some combat probes and head off to a mission runner hub in HS like Sortet. Follow something shiney out from there to where it's going (also good practice for chasing down PI runners) and dscan down where it is by reducing the angle and range. Once you've got a pretty clear idea, drop the combats place them in a small au formation in that area and see if you can get a 100% on it the first scan. It takes some practice but once you get it down you'll be a pro hunter.

As a side note, you can also warp to them afterwards and lewt all their wrecks, it's ok isk for zero effort, just remember that you'll be a flashy for everyone to shoot at afterwards for a bit.