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Reasons for DDOSing!
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2014-03-06 01:48:57 UTC
I Riven I wrote:
Hi, Id like to discuss a few things here,..

What could it be and the reasons behind someone wanting to DDOS CCP ??

Lets bring it down to where it all started.


1- Why do you think CCP is getting DDOSed?
2- Do you think CCP brought this upon itself?
3- What did CCP might have done wrong?


Just looking for reasons, because people dont ddos others for no reason.

Share your thoughts.




You know what? Actually, I would believe this is intentionally targeted at CCP, and that they brought it on themselves. Last time they came under attack, everyone got free skillpoints.

Who's to say this isn't an attack for the express purpose of getting free skillpoints again?

There were plenty of us at the time against the issuing of free SP for this very reason, so if this is indeed the case.... don't say we didn't warn you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2014-03-06 01:51:28 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
People totally do ddos for no reason, yeah.

And just because you can't keep up with current events, they did it to Blizzard, too, as well as quite a few other companies(EBay too, I think). It's coming out of India, is the running thought.

So "they" are just hitting as many targets as they can.


My above theory aside, this seems more plausible. The NTP amplification is a rather new toy that web analysts are having a slightly more difficult time mitigating, AFAIK. And just like another schoolyard yo-yo craze, there are a bunch of kids with new toys that want to not only play with them, but show them off.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Shin Chai
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2014-03-06 02:16:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Script kiddies are going to spoil the internet for the rest of usSad



Same reason why people Gank.
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#64 - 2014-03-06 04:40:45 UTC
Hmmm. I wonder if this...

Dersen Lowery wrote:

... actually, while I think that it's incredibly easy to overanalyze the goals and priorities of script kiddies and their ilk, if I had to point to a motive I'd just note that CCP has been doing a great job of going after RMT sellers for quite a while now, and they're probably lashing out.


... and this ...

Eccon Dustwaver wrote:
My issues started around a mini-patch around February 23rd. My issue with CCP is there has been a lot of poor craftsmanship on their part lately. I pay a subscription to play the game and not to fix their screw-ups. A company that has been developing the same game for over a decade should know how to properly patch the game without a lot issues.


... are related. Blink

The Nosy Gamer - CCP Random: "hehe, falls under the category: nice try, but no. ;)"
Ai Shun
#65 - 2014-03-06 04:56:59 UTC
Gyromite wrote:
I wonder if banning all ip's not hardwired to player accounts


No, because then one **** behind a NAT does something that results in EVERYBODY behind the NAT being banned. It would mean anybody not on a fixed IP has a chance of being seen as banned, even when they are not. Forget the concept of an IP address being able to identify something on the internet. The whole idea of public and private networks make it unrealistic. Even IPv6 will not solve the issue as you can have computers shared between individuals.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2014-03-06 06:15:23 UTC
Much as people would liek the DDOS attacks to be CCP fault somehow, it is rather unlikely.
Flashbang Thereal
S0utherN Comfort
#67 - 2014-03-06 07:08:46 UTC
Has there even been a confirmed Ddos attack? Have ccp said anything? Since not everyone is having issues with conection, something we ususaly haw when a server is getting Ddosed. I would speculate that the issue with conection have something to do with the latest patch sqrewing up some peoples conection localy between their own computer and internet conection. Maybe check firewall settings on router and computer or map a new port?
Tesco Ergo Sum
#68 - 2014-03-06 07:18:23 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Gyromite wrote:
I wonder if banning all ip's not hardwired to player accounts


No, because then one **** behind a NAT does something that results in EVERYBODY behind the NAT being banned. It would mean anybody not on a fixed IP has a chance of being seen as banned, even when they are not. Forget the concept of an IP address being able to identify something on the internet. The whole idea of public and private networks make it unrealistic. Even IPv6 will not solve the issue as you can have computers shared between individuals.


You get a new IPv6 temporary address each reboot on Windows:

ipconfig output

IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2001:470:xxxx:e:edb4:40a9:b00b:135(Preferred)
Temporary IPv6 Address. . . . . . : 2001:470:xxxx:e:3d79:cd83:b00b:135(Preferred)

So IPv6 is a solution and far more entertaining than IPv4.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2014-03-06 07:37:08 UTC
Eccon Dustwaver wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Your post amounts to 'blaming the victim'

99.9% of the time these things are usually due to something the company did to **** someone off. Take the 2011 hacking of SOE, PSN, & Sony by Anon just because of the arrest of a guys who hacked a ps3 game. So generally this is something CCP if you go with the status quo CCP brought it upon themselves.

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Your post amounts to 'blaming the victim'
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2014-03-06 07:49:26 UTC
I Riven I wrote:


Just looking for reasons, because people dont ddos others for no reason.




I just realised you said this.

Sure they do. But then again, "***** & giggles" are enough of a reason to do anything these days.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Mandarine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-03-06 08:51:01 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I Riven I wrote:


Just looking for reasons, because people dont ddos others for no reason.




I just realised you said this.

Sure they do. But then again, "***** & giggles" are enough of a reason to do anything these days.



You mean, like using a video game out of context (that is, paying no heed to the ingame fictional narrative and having no interest im building it), and logging in with the express purpose of making random people mad IRL?
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#72 - 2014-03-06 08:54:03 UTC
If I were a cybercriminal looking to DDoS for profit somehow, I wouldn't go straight for Lloyds of London. I'd make damn sure my system worked.

What better way than targetting a community that has a very active forum, so you can measure just how much of an impact your crimes are having?

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Eccon Dustwaver
Excalibur Industries
#73 - 2014-03-06 09:52:36 UTC
Rosewalker wrote:
Hmmm. I wonder if this...

Dersen Lowery wrote:

... actually, while I think that it's incredibly easy to overanalyze the goals and priorities of script kiddies and their ilk, if I had to point to a motive I'd just note that CCP has been doing a great job of going after RMT sellers for quite a while now, and they're probably lashing out.


... and this ...

Eccon Dustwaver wrote:
My issues started around a mini-patch around February 23rd. My issue with CCP is there has been a lot of poor craftsmanship on their part lately. I pay a subscription to play the game and not to fix their screw-ups. A company that has been developing the same game for over a decade should know how to properly patch the game without a lot issues.


... are related. Blink

How so?
Eccon Dustwaver
Excalibur Industries
#74 - 2014-03-06 09:54:53 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Eccon Dustwaver wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Your post amounts to 'blaming the victim'

99.9% of the time these things are usually due to something the company did to **** someone off. Take the 2011 hacking of SOE, PSN, & Sony by Anon just because of the arrest of a guys who hacked a ps3 game. So generally this is something CCP if you go with the status quo CCP brought it upon themselves.

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Your post amounts to 'blaming the victim'

CCP tends to be more of an instigator then a victim.
Mellisa Jade
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2014-03-06 12:01:55 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
I Riven I wrote:
Just looking for reasons, because people dont ddos others for no reason.

they want an excuse to exercise power or are criminals




Like Joff from AGoT ? (Which starts again in just a few weeks time)

_'Time is to eternity, as the mind is to what surrounds us.' _
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#76 - 2014-03-06 12:13:56 UTC
I Riven I wrote:
Hi, Id like to discuss a few things here,..

What could it be and the reasons behind someone wanting to DDOS CCP ??




Same reason ppl suicide ganking miners and invading PVE players' pocket missions...

Tears...
Garia666
CyberShield Inc
HYDRA RELOADED
#77 - 2014-03-06 12:28:54 UTC
i think its because of there briljant customer support.
as they Always see something in there logs.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2014-03-06 12:45:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Mandarine wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I Riven I wrote:


Just looking for reasons, because people dont ddos others for no reason.




I just realised you said this.

Sure they do. But then again, "***** & giggles" are enough of a reason to do anything these days.



You mean, like using a video game out of context (that is, paying no heed to the ingame fictional narrative and having no interest im building it), and logging in with the express purpose of making random people mad IRL?


If the reason was to make you mad IRL, then the reason wouldn't be "***** & giggles" would it. If you're getting mad IRL over a video game, then I would suggest you aren't enjoying said game.

And also, the last I checked, you can't play EVE out of context because it's a sandbox, with an in-game narrative developed by the players.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Sarah McKnobbo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2014-03-06 12:45:29 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
The NTP amplification is a rather new toy that web analysts are having a slightly more difficult time mitigating, AFAIK. And just like another schoolyard yo-yo craze, there are a bunch of kids with new toys that want to not only play with them, but show them off.


I would say it's more than likely to be this.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2014-03-06 13:01:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
Eccon Dustwaver wrote:
CCP tends to be more of an instigator then a victim.

sorry dumbarse but 'someone did something i didn't like' isn't justification

a victim is a victim