Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I could ask you the same question... but you already have proven that you cannot adapt to a person in your SOV that isn't even there. Truth be told is that if this 'problem' has been around since 2006, and you still haven't come up with a viable way to deal with the problem other than getting safe and waiting, then you need to readjust where you are at in your Eve career. You don't need to go crying to ccp just because I want to watch you build your sandcastle and poke at it.

Planning and forethought are needed to live in SOV, you can overcome the lonely little ship that you can one shot out of the sky and then pod to oblivion. I mean really, 2500 EHP isn't that hard to kill.

Your idea was not balanced and was shown to be a bad one. It nerfed cloaks without addressing the cause for AFKing.

As far as hot dropping is concerned, if you have an issue with it, then suggest a change in that regard. Nerfing cloaks won't cure, what is a totally separate mechanic.

Any chance you could answer the question now?

Thanks I was trying to think of a way that wouldnt take too long to program

this topic has a fine line... and there is not one point solution for it.

before the fuel thing can be implemented, Boting needs to be salved.
This is the only way to prevent bots from making endless ISK for now...

not having this also hurts casual players too... but this is where you have an advantage over bots... gather in teams to rat it is a lot more fun anyways then just grinding by yourself...

This would fix your issue - I dont know if this happens in other MMO's, but EVE is the only MMO that I know of where you can be logged on indefinately. All the other MMO's I play log you off after 15-30 minutes of inactivty. I tend to agree with this.


Edit: I dont think 15-30 minutes would work in EVE, but 2-3 hours would suffice.

This topic has grown to a point where it's hard to dig through all the information that posted. OP, please summarize everything said up to this moment in the first post, lest you want this to become a heap of rubbish.

However, I've read more or less through all the discussion and would rather say "no" for fuel idea or ideas that require interaction to keep cloack online. Much have already been said and I can't clearly explain why, but I'm feeling this is introducing more problems than solutions and simply a wrong thing to do.

I support Tippia with the idea that there is no big problem in AFKcloaking, but rather there is a poblem in local chat. Local is indeed a very powerful intelli tool. I personally support an option of putting local in delayed mode, because intelli should be gathered at "gates, belts and stations" by actually flying around the system and using D-Scan (which must use some love from devs and be made more convenient to use). In my opinion the way scanning works should be revisioned and merged with probing, but it's the other story.

For those of you who don't like the idea of putting local in delayed mode there is less drastic solution. As noted above, there might be a delay (pretty significant) before newcomer appears in local and before he can see local himself. In this case the following solution looks very attractive:

It should be added that the person who uses cloak should remain visible for others in local but must not see local himself. In addition, there must be a significant delay before he reconnects to the local channel after decloaking. And then I believe stations should be excluded from local channel as well: people in the system don't see who are in stations, people in stations don't see who are in the system. The same delay (that prevents both appearing you in local and seeing local) must be applied after undocking and logging in while in space.

And a word for AFKcloaking support: as noted above it might be something that really shuts down the usage of farming bots! Isn't this the real reason people are so angry about AFKcloaking?

If cloak removes you from local, then the current AFK cloakers (that do this for psychological warfare) will be AFK flying ships at 20km/s. Can't catch it, and the threat of a cyno popping up over your head remains.


<< this I think is the best response I've read so far. AFK cloaking adds more to the unpredictable/risky atmosphere in Eve.

Okay, so say we eliminate AFK cloaking.

Now I get a dram, fit it out to go 5-6k m/s cap stable, and leave that flying into space. Sure, you can probe it down, but by the time you warp to it it's off grid. AFK cloaking v2.0, nothing changes.

Wormholes are like that and they make you fraking paranoid!

This is a horribly bad idea. By breaking cloaks you're effectively breaking wormhole intel gathering and screwing with the entire wormhole system. You see... it's often necessary to be cloaked up in a hostile system for days or even weeks on end. As such, it's not viable to have cloaks broken to require fuel and prevent someone from being able to effectively gather intel over time. You would, by doing something as stupid as this suggestion, effectively deal a massive blow to wormhole PvP.

There's a far more simple and elegant solution to "fix" the afk cloaking non-issue. The real problem is that you can see the person in local that's cloaked in your system. So...

1. When a ship cloaks, it should be removed from local.
2. When a ship cloaks, it should also lose access to local. You can't be seen in local, you can't see it either. This would require intel gathering to be similar to how it is in wormholes already... you actively go gather the intel.
3. To prevent possible cyno abuse, have a delay in being able to fire off a cyno when decloaking, say 15 seconds, 30 seconds... whatever value brings balance. I'd add an exception for Black Ops ships, being that they're a special category that shouldn't be subject to this limitation imo.

There you go... "afk cloaking" is fixed without breaking the other areas of the game that require cloaking to be and remain effective.