EVE General Discussion

Ok.. OP, i'm sorry but here we go... *looks at you with his are you stupid face*

Time to explain something...

TQ as of a few years ago, is one of the 500 largest super computers in the world. Think about that a min and let that sink in. TQ has more processing power then nearly every computer on the planet. Let me say that one more time so it sinks in. As of a few years ago, TQ is rated as one of the 500 largest super computers on the planet.

TQ is many computers networked together to be a large computer that distributes the work between all the computers within its structure. This is then connected to the internet. TQ is by definition a cloud computing system.

Now, here is why adding more hardware will not work. This has been said many times, several by me, and I might be old in eve, but I hate repeating myself, so i'm going to say this one more time...

EvE's issue is not hardware, its software. When eve was being made in the early 2000's the big trend in computing was for more GHZ! They were predicting 10 GHZ processors by 2010 when EvE was released in 2003. For this reason, the coding of EvE was written for single core processors, with the idea that the GHZ would go up in the future. But there was a problem. CPU makers ran into issues when they tried to get more GHZ out of the CPU's. So to fix this, they decided to add a second core to the cpu, in essence doubling power without increasing GHZ. The first dual core came out in like 07 I think, so four years after eve was made. Once this was done, the new trend in computing went from more GHZ to more cores!.

Eve is made for a single core processor. What this means is it can not scale more then a single core very well, easily, or at all. In other words, if there is heavy load the software can not move some of the lode to another core to help it deal with the load. It just can't. That is where the lag in eve comes from. In a fleet fight, it could me happening on a node with 30 cores (server computers using Xeon or AMD server processors have a lot of cores) but the code for the fight, each system, is limited to a single core. So when that one core hits its max load, it chokes. As it has no way to go 'oooh i'm using a lot of power, but hey the 29th core has nothing on it, i'll move some of this there' which is what current software does.

Its like this... you have a Pinto, which most people will tell you is a POS car. You take it for a drive on this brand new highway. This road is the smoothest, straightest, most aerodynamic, less friction road ever made. And you want to floor it and expect your care to drive like a Maserati... but it can't, why? BECAUSE ITS A ******* PINTO!

Adding more computers will not help. Adding servers over the cloud, or internet, will not work as now instead of all your servers in a single network, you have them split over multiple networks, this would cause lag, and if a ddos hit one of your link between servers you could lose 1/2 or 1/3 of all TQ services.

The only way to fix eve, is to remove, kill, and rewrite the only single core code and make it able to use multi cores. Which is what CCP is slowing doing with things like crime watch, brain in a box, etc.

When people complain about a small seeming fix that appears to do nothing, they forget that each 'fix' is prolly a piece of old single core code that has now been changed to use multiple cores. Each small change, be it graphics, or ship changes, that comes out of single core and goes to multi core, will give TQ a huge performance boost.

So in closing, use ******* google and look up what the damn cloud actually is, because your idea, if you have not researched what TQ is and what the actually problem is, is a stupid one.

distributed databases exist, right? in ur scenario its like u use more utility companies for more water

Yeah, see… this is where you start making claims about stuff you don't know anything about. Ok, “start” may be the wrong word, but still… And no, bandwidth is just half of it. Latency is the big killer.

You're trying to apply a solution for asynchronous loose-latency storage to a problem that requires real-time no-latency processing (and no-latency storage).

OP: you have just barely enough knowledge to be dangerous, but not enough to understand what you are proposing.

"The Cloud" is not a place of magic that suddenly causes a single threaded app to become distributed. Nor does it ensure faster DB queries, nor does it ensure enough bandwidth is available for inevitable surges in load. The list goes on and on.

"The Cloud" is more of a marketing gimmick than anything else.

For years we campaign to make CCP let us turn off clouds....

OP says the cloud will help thwart DDOSing. By post #4 OP admits that the cloud does not make you DDOS-proof.

I think we're done here.

sync it to the cloud

not the cloud im talkin about dipshit read the thread

i did read ass the OP wanted to know why Not to use the clouds in game

No, it's far too sharp. Just take your time and walk with it.