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Behold the "gift" of the Amarr

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Lucien Rouen
#101 - 2014-03-05 16:47:57 UTC
Can't everyone just admit he is off his rocker and move on? He'll get his. In the meantime, he seems happy to cost himself significant amounts of money for no good reason.
Karynn Denton
Astrometrica
#102 - 2014-03-05 16:54:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Karynn Denton
Lucien Rouen wrote:
Can't everyone just admit he is off his rocker and move on?


No, the Republicans and Imperials will have to go around in circles, rehashing exhausted arguments and tired histories for a few more pages first.

Meanwhile, armchair pundits will wring their hands at how terrible Pilot Nauplius is without so much as running a locator agent on him.

Fancy some crystal egg to pass the time?

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#103 - 2014-03-05 16:58:49 UTC
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
It appears to me that The Empire silently condones the actions of Nauplius and other Amarrian's like him.
Or perhaps those in power are too afraid to look their own evil square in the face, while coming to grips with this atrocity.

The silence of The Empire is deafening, yet it speaks volumes.


Clearly you condone him as well, since you are also doing nothing.

When you have his ship on your killboard and his corpse in your cargo hold, then you can denounce others for their lack of effort.
Lucien Rouen
#104 - 2014-03-05 16:59:15 UTC
Karynn Denton wrote:
Lucien Rouen wrote:
Can't everyone just admit he is off his rocker and move on?


No, the Republicans and Imperials will have to go around in circles, rehashing exhausted arguments and tired histories for a few more pages first.

Meanwhile, armchair pundits will wring their hands at how terrible Pilot Nauplius is without so much as running a locator agent on him.

Fancy some crystal egg to pass the time?


You're just all sorts of blunt aren't you. Refreshing.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#105 - 2014-03-05 16:59:49 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Except Nauplius is a heretic. His actions, just like the similar atrocity committed by J4LP after the Battle of Arzad, are not authorized by the Empire. This has been confirmed through inquiries made to Grand Inquisitor Ohrud Omel of the Ministry of Internal Order.


If PIE have received a ruling regarding the sacrifice of slaves from Grand Inquisitor Ohrud Omel, perhaps they might suggest that His Grace publicize his ruling in order that those of us who need guidance on this issue receive it. I would invite communication from His Grace on this matter. After all, it seems odd that His Grace would only confirm to PIE what PIE already believes, and offer nothing to those of us who believe the contrary.

Also, I would be interested in whether PIE has received a ruling specifically regarding either my case or the J4LP case or they are inferring a prohibition against slave sacrifice from statements on other matters or more general subjects.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#106 - 2014-03-05 17:22:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
It appears to me that The Empire silently condones the actions of Nauplius and other Amarrian's like him.
Or perhaps those in power are too afraid to look their own evil square in the face, while coming to grips with this atrocity.

The silence of The Empire is deafening, yet it speaks volumes.


The Republic have been similarly quiet on the subject. Somehow, I doubt that their silence constitutes tacit approval.

Given that, over the last eight years of my career, it has been rare indeed for any of the Big Four to comment on the actions of individual capsuleers, however momentous (in fact, I can't recall a single instance) I really don't know why you think they should do so now, nor indeed why you think their failure to comment is equivalent to endorsement.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#107 - 2014-03-05 17:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Nauplius wrote:
Also, I would be interested in whether PIE has received a ruling specifically regarding either my case or the J4LP case or they are inferring a prohibition against slave sacrifice from statements on other matters or more general subjects.


Inquiries were made directly to the Ministry of Internal Order following and specifically concerning the incident at Arzad.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#108 - 2014-03-05 18:14:50 UTC
Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Except Nauplius is a heretic. His actions, just like the similar atrocity committed by J4LP after the Battle of Arzad, are not authorized by the Empire. This has been confirmed through inquiries made to Grand Inquisitor Ohrud Omel of the Ministry of Internal Order.


So... how many people does a single person have to murder in your Empire without "authorization" before you all... gee I dunno... DO SOMETHING ABOUT HIM!?

Just a question.

So... how many gallentean skulls we need to crack to spill their useless brains out, before they STOP MEDDLING INTO OTHER PEOPLES BUSINESS?!

Just a question.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Bryen Verrisai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2014-03-05 18:27:20 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:

Colelie has been discussed ad nausium.

To be frank, I don't think it's been discussed enough. And I was around when the ad nauseum was in full swing.

After all it's not every day your alleged friends, allies, and neighbors try to go on a rampage through your nation's space. Well, okay, neighbors maybe, but not the first two.
Pontianak Sythaeryn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2014-03-05 19:26:17 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
How much are you doing? It's easy to accuse others of doing nothing while sitting on your hands yourself.


I think I mentioned in another spot that I've petitioned your government for kill rights. Have to do that considering this is less a blow up his ship and he just wakes up in a fresh clone, and my petition that would involve death outside the pod. Being from another government, avenging our Minmatar Citizens... myself getting charged with murder for killing a mass murderer would be quite silly.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2014-03-05 20:52:28 UTC
Bryen Verrisai wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:

Colelie has been discussed ad nausium.

To be frank, I don't think it's been discussed enough. And I was around when the ad nauseum was in full swing.

After all it's not every day your alleged friends, allies, and neighbors try to go on a rampage through your nation's space. Well, okay, neighbors maybe, but not the first two.


Here we go again...

There is literally NOTHING more to talk about regarding Colelie. Hell, we can't even yell at Shakor anymore since he's effectively getting rid of most of his power.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Bryen Verrisai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2014-03-06 04:28:57 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Here we go again...

There is literally NOTHING more to talk about regarding Colelie. Hell, we can't even yell at Shakor anymore since he's effectively getting rid of most of his power.

As a matter of fact there is plenty to talk about, and plenty that continues to be talked about. It's not something people have forgotten, and it's not something they've forgiven.

With that said, I have no intent of starting that discussion here. I simply wished to say my piece on the alleged irrelevance of the incident, particularly since it was a member of Gradient doing the dismissive handwaving.
Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#113 - 2014-03-06 04:56:57 UTC
That's ok.

No one has forgotten about the ineptitude of the Federal Security forces either.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#114 - 2014-03-06 05:14:39 UTC
Bryen Verrisai wrote:

As a matter of fact there is plenty to talk about, and plenty that continues to be talked about. It's not something people have forgotten, and it's not something they've forgiven.

With that said, I have no intent of starting that discussion here. I simply wished to say my piece on the alleged irrelevance of the incident, particularly since it was a member of Gradient doing the dismissive handwaving.


People like you make me ashamed to be a Federal citizen at times. Just what the **** do you and your ilk want? Most reasonable Matari including ME denounced the incursion. If you'd bothered to do a little background check you'd know that but hell, that's asking way too much. Better to shoot off your mouth first and make assumptions. Also, just what the hell does my corporation have to do with anything?

Ok so, for the 100th (and from me final) time: Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Je suis tres desole. Lo siento mucho. Pick the apology in your preferred language.

There. Happier now?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Bryen Verrisai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2014-03-06 05:30:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Bryen Verrisai
I'm well aware of the fact that the event was denounced in varying degrees by various individuals (but never by the Republic government as a whole, in either of its incarnations), and I respect those who chose to do so.

Anabella Rella wrote:
Also, just what the hell does my corporation have to do with anything?

Unless something has changed between now and then, your corporation has publicly stated that should events identical or similar occur in the future it will support unwarranted aggressive actions against the Federation again. I certainly won't dictate how your corporation should set its policies; that's none of my business. But as long as the stance "We will do this again" holds true, you don't have much of a right to dismiss the incident as no longer relevant or worthy of discussion.

What I personally want (though I won't speak for my "ilk", whomever that may be) is an assurance that such a betrayal will not occur again. And that has been something that has not been given by your corporation, by your compatriots, or by your government.

I apologize for derailing your thread with what was meant to be an off-hand comment on a specific point of disagreement.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#116 - 2014-03-06 08:11:39 UTC
How dare you derail a thread that is supposed to be about how terrible the Amarr are!

Katrina Oniseki

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#117 - 2014-03-06 11:41:33 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
How dare you derail a thread that is supposed to be about how terrible the Amarr are!

Because Amarr in fact aren't terrible. They are nice, trustworthy business peoples and allies of the State and Caldari people.
On other hand, gallentes are terrible and must be eradicated.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#118 - 2014-03-07 01:04:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Katherine Devonshire
Samira Kernher wrote:
Havohej and his group murdered over 300,000 former Minmatar slaves because they would not give up their faith. He is bragging about it over in Ms. Riordan's thread.


Yet this should surprise no one. A Minmatar of the Faith is one whom will not take up arms against the Amarr Empire, and therefore is of no use to Shakor's regime. The hypocrisy of the constant and callous purging of all those Minmatar whom do not toe the Republic party line of "Freedom™" by their own government has become so sadly routine that it is debatable to consider it even news at all.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2014-03-07 04:35:06 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
. A Minmatar of the Faith is one whom will not take up arms against the Amarr Empire, and therefore is of no use to Shakor's regime. .


Not necessarily. I'd imagine if there was an emperor/empress that was unpopular with faithful minmatar, or they disagreed with the Empire on political terms rather then religious ones, they would go to war.

Of course, it's less likely, but still quite a possibility given the circumstances.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#120 - 2014-03-07 04:47:01 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
. A Minmatar of the Faith is one whom will not take up arms against the Amarr Empire, and therefore is of no use to Shakor's regime. .


Not necessarily. I'd imagine if there was an emperor/empress that was unpopular with faithful minmatar, or they disagreed with the Empire on political terms rather then religious ones, they would go to war.


Then they wouldn't be faithful. You cannot be of the faith and opposed to God's Chosen. This isn't the Federation, where the government is a secular entity. Opposing the Amarrian government is opposing the faith.