Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The thing is that this strategy will be far less effective than doing it against any other ship : you will decrease not even the third of the dps and still leave about 150dps fully applyed. Focusing on a drone means the fight is not a 1v1 anymore but a 1v3.

If you dedicate one of your midslot to control one drone, you basicaly free the Worm and the other drone, you forgo range and speed control and you're toasted.

Why is this impossible to balance? The ship goes from 7.5 effective drones to 8, assuming theres a restriction capping it at 2 active drones.



There's no reason guristas needs to solve this instead of it being fixed for all drones.

the Rattlesnake is a brick, now that brick has 2 overpowered sentries, suddenly, take in account the drone bay of the Rattlesnake is unchanged, that thing would become a mini carrier, now imagine a fleet of them doing spidertanking and deploying each one 2 drones, subcapital slowcats (?)

I think that a possible RS bonus will apply to sentries and heavies alike, but the drone bay will go to sth like 125mbit storage. Also, Rise has said that the guristas role bonus is not chained to 2 drones only as we have seen in the Worm, so we might get 3 or 4 bonused drones for the hull with a different role bonus percentage.

The concept is indeed very nice. It will differentiate Guristas from other drone ships enough to make it viable/desirable, while bringing some new tactics to gameplay both for brawling and gang support.

Why? With no damage projection or tracking bonuses for drones, and no application of projection bonuses to missiles, sentries in a RS hull would serve very well as an alternative to heavies in brawling or fleet use. Having limited bandwidth but no sentry bonus would kill the hull (we already have 10 BS T1/faction/pirate hulls that can put out 5 sentries, with or without bonuses).

Rattlesnake with two heavy drones and possibly a +50% thermal/kinetic missile bonus. Run (don't walk) to Jita and put it up for sale now… Wonder what happens to the Vindicator, Bhaalgorn and Nightmare with respect to drone bandwidth/capacity?

Yeah, but they also use different sizes of turrets and have different numbers of them. Of course you wouldn't have to give everything a 300% damage bonus, but doing this along with resitricting to two max drones is a very sensible way to make sure we have the same effect without having something stupid like 20 effective warriors coming out of a gila.

So unless you just plan on leaving the drone bays untouched on the gila/snake and leaving the 50% bonus, there's no other clearly logical way to implement the "fewer but stronger" drones.

EDIT: see posts below.

Cruor bonuses are fine as they are.
Even if the general EVE-Player doesn't get it, in terms of Frigate 1v1 (or whatever) it will whack anything that isn't: A Keres, a lucky Blaster DD, a Rail DD.

And Worm & Succubus will probably be 'goodfights'.

The Cruor is, at is stands, a highly mobile *BRAWLER*. Highly mobile because it will use an MWD. You won't be able to kite it, cause anything closer than 26 kilometers will get webbed, and unless the base velocity of the webbed ship is somewhar at 7km/s, the Cruor will close in.
Once the Cruor is close, it activates it's NOSFERATUS, not neuts, NOSFERATUS and will drain 10 cap per second with a nos-cycle hitting the enemy every 1.5 (read: 1 or 2) seconds. Normal EVE Players will now say the following: 'But, NOS range is lower than scram range, you will get scramkited!'

The obvious answer to this is: l2p, if you want to bring a Cruor into solo pvp in the first place, take some more ISK into your hand and bling that *****. For an average of ~25 to 30m Isk you will be able to purchase A-Type Small NOS. They outrange scramblers by a good amount, so only linked up ships or ships with a good chunk of scramrange bonus are able to 'scramkite' you. In which case you're just like 'whatever', load Scorch and blast them with 160 dps.

Conclusion: If a well fit Cruor ever gets on top of your frigate, there is exactly ONE good reaction:
Overheat everything and pray to the Gallente Gods that you win the fight.




Also:


Dramiel is NOT fine. Dramiel was popular back then because of it's high mobility, and some other stuff like good damage at above average ranges for frigates.

A nerf happened, where the Dram lost a good chunk of fittingspace, took a slight hit to mobility, and is unchanged since then.
A change happened to ALL THE OTHER ships in it's class, most notably to 'Tech 1 Frigates', and recently, INTERCEPTORS.

There is now NO reason at all to fly a Dramiel anymore if you have some common Sense (and some edge-cases where no Ceptors can enter a Novice in FW).

Interceptors warp FASTER, are immune to BUBBLES, are roughly equally mobile AND have tackling bonuses.
Where an Ares warps through a heavily bubbled Gatecamp like it doesn't give a daaaaayyyyuuuuumn, a Dramiel will be locked up an vaporized.

Where a Firetail gives you damn good bang for it's buck, you'll have to dish ~200m ISK into a Dramiel to have a *slightly better* Firetail. And if you want to make it reasonably better than a Firetail, you're looking into an Investment of ~500m for the mods just to get your impslots free of Genocores and/or %PG / %CPU imps so you can put some Pirate Imps on there.



Dramiel needs a rework. You listen, Rise? Look at it. It looks good on paper, but in the new surrounding of updated frigates it's just a bad mixup of some more dedicated - and by far cheaper - other hulls.

Give it more fitting, cut some velocity, and maybe put a slight dash of more DPS into it.

which adds 46 mil to its price as mandatory requirement, all the other frigates don't absolutely need faction mods to function properly
although I can't find the quote, I remember some ccp saying that ships are balanced on tech 2 mods and not faction

Edit: a-type smal nos range is 10.21km which is actually not enough to stop you from getting kited by overheated t2 webs so you can fit them all you want, its not gonna help you much at all



yes it is a significant part of the tank because it can be moving all the time also a 100mn fitted tengu has either about 80k ehp buffer or around a thousand dps active tank with a LSB
neither of those things the phantasm will be able to reach no matter the amount of money put on it (maybe with estamels invul lol) also to actually make use of speed tanking like that you need to be moving a lot with guns that only have ~20km range for pulses or terrible tracking for beams and pretty bad ~300dps for both
its just really unpractical

A good Daredevil will need a Faction Web. No, a Blaster-Daredevil ain't a good Daredevil.
A good Dramiel (as pointed out earlier) will need a few faction / deadspace mods.


Also, if only using Tech 2 mods, a Cruor will still be a pretty nice ship - not for solo, but for gangs.
It brings longrange webs (where you would have to bring, say, a Hyena - which then adds NOTHING to the gang) so it can catch stuff, and f necessary, close in and deal some 200 dps with Multi, 220 with conflag. And, if closed in, it can also unleash some neuting pressure (for which you would have to bring a Sentinel) between 10 and 40 cap/s, depending on highslot layout.