Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm a solo player now. I know exactly what the difficulties are and I don't ask the entire game to revolve around my play style. Perhaps you shouldn't make the assumptions?


I have and in my experience they lack the social skills(pardon the pun) to work well in nullsec(which is the biggest social aspect of EVE). Honestly what you're asking for is for anti-social players to be able to play anti-socially in the most social aspect of the game. It makes no sense.



I'm not talking about bridging anything. I suggest you reread my arguments. Also, 9 days in a renter alliance is still 9 days in a renter alliance.

How could I? You must have sexy trained to V with an avatar like that.

You didn't make any arguments. You said the answer was to make PVE more like PVP, which I pointed out was nonsense. Then you agreed that they aren't very alike, and then I started free-styling on why it would be difficult to make them alike.

I get along just fine in wormhole space. Maybe you should try it from a different angle.



So... Joebob should be able to claim sov space by himself or with 2 or 3 cohorts. Honestly, it sounds like you've been beating your head against the metaphorical wall trying the same solution over and over. Try adapting and attacking it from a different angle. There are plenty of opportunities for solo players and small group players. You just need to play to your strengths, and learn how to pick your fights(and take your loses in your stride). For example I make heavy, heavy usage of stealth(cloaks help, but they're not your only tool) to evade people I'd rather not notice me, and for the large part it works for me.

Yes that is the idea you would still have to fit current mods to do this. which in its own way would help to balance it.

I feel you may have misunderstood the intentions I have, with this thread.

I am not interested in forcing anyone to do anything.
This includes backing them into positions where they only have tools to respond a certain way.

Quite the opposite, as a miner I am tired of being forced to always run away, or rely on other players for my defense.
I also do not want to be forced into abandoning mining in order to enjoy a good fight. This would include downgrading my mining experience so that mining was a mere token aspect of my play.
(Look we all know you can fit a mining laser on a BS or other combat hull, but let's not pretend that is really a realistic way to mine with)

On the other side, as a covert pilot, I am not capable of engaging genuine front line ships, so must avoid those by necessity in order to survive.
I also see too many PvE ships viewing me as too dangerous, (to consider engaging in combat), so they must avoid me by necessity in order to survive. When I am playing on that side of the proverbial fence, I too avoid engagements for this same reason.

Now, in my opinion, we have three choices here:
One, we can either sponsor an attitude like lemmings, and encourage players to engage in fights against opponents that we have no realistic chance of beating... which I view as not sustainable, to say the least.
Two, we can keep the unfulfilling circle going, where each class of ships is forever avoiding stronger opponents, too often resulting in stalemate scenarios.

Or three, we can bridge the gap in combat difference between the ships flying covertly, and their chosen targets flying PvE support.

Pure combat purposed ships always have each other to fight against, and are countered from reaching the PvE supports of their foes by this. They are already happy, and functioning as intended for the most part.
But covert and PvE ships have evolved to be locked in this stalemate inducing circular cycle, and I feel this needs to be remedied.

You are in your space, in null.

You have logged in to discover your usual group of friends to be offline, and have no expectation this will change.
Maybe you logged in at an odd hour, or perhaps you know they are simply going to be unavailable for other reasons.

The important point, is your quality of play now relies on being able to operate solo.
These circumstances, while detailed for this example, can happen quite often for many players. More than enough to be significant as a point.

Your assets:
You have allies from other corps manning gate camps, and operating in systems several gates away. Good for some intel, but nothing practical to form up with.
Your corp even equipped your system with a cyno jammer, since it is the established mining system for them.

You are a miner. Your corp has a POS set up in this system, and even an alt boosting while AFK. You can be quite useful, and get some ore for your friends.

Now, after 20 minutes, you hear over channels that a single hostile is bouncing around, and is being reported moving in a direction that could have them in your system within minutes.

Current logic suggests you should evade them. To do this, you need enough warning to warp safely before they can stop you.
This has you playing an MMO, one featuring the joys of space combat no less, with the specific incentive to AVOID interacting with another player since you are badly prepared for space combat.

I find this to be at odds with the expectation of enjoyable space combat.
I think many players would far prefer the option of being able to fight, without needing to sacrifice mining to do so.

We currently don't have the right tools to do this with, in my opinion.

To use your analogy, you must accept that the wooden block was arbitrarily decided to not fit into that hole. There is no underlying logic that supports this choice, it was really that simple.

As I am trying to suggest a means for players, to have the option of standing and fighting, with practical concerns considered, this is not about adapting to the environment at all, as I believe you are suggesting.

I feel it is about removing an obstacle, which makes players in an MMO want to run away from each other, instead of playing with each other.

Sleepers, perhaps.
The mining ships with realistic fighting ability would be much like the described Q ships, in many ways too.

Whether it is the ability to fight other players comparable to "covert" vessels, or that the mining environments are abrasively hostile to all with the exception that mining ships are uniquely adapted to endure there.

Only in high sec space is this dynamic present, albeit in limited fashion, thanks to concord.

We cannot simply eliminate this threat of NPC support with nothing to replace it, with mining ships so lacking the ability to compensate on their own.

And for the obvious suggestion that none should play solo or in groups too small to inspire PvP support, I feel this results in diminished play far too often, and merits reconsideration in my opinion.