CSM Campaigns

I'd say in low, null and wh, you'd probably not want a more complicated mechanic for the core, sapping your attention.

It may be possible to increase the attention requirements of the activity, but I'd suggest doing it as an optional boost. So you can maintain the current activity, or do it a different way to increase yield. (as long as you can control the rate of asteroid acquiral, then it's not so much of a concern balance wise. )

Dynamic is good. It'll have to be watched carefully, to reduce how gamable it is, but that shouldn't be /too/ much of a problem.

With difficulty.

Higher yields tend to come with lower prices, as the market for the minerals is only so large.


Null and low aren't /quite/ so bad, due to the intelligence provided by local. (and the ability to anchor bubbles in null)

However, if you notice what I've been saying about mining, I dislike beacons in space for people to just warp to and mine. (or warp to and gank miners). Some effort should exist for getting to decent ore.

W-Space already has unique harvestable materials in the form of the gasses.

Now, it might make sense to increase the places where these materials can be used, but I'd need to look at the figures for harvesting and use to tell.

Additional unique materials doesn't sit right.

Sorry about that Thought I'd written more. I blame people expecting me to actually work in the office

Reworking the mineral compositions might make a difference, but the main problem is: people go for the best isk/hr. Which has the side effect of drawing them all to being similar. One of the reasons the ABCs aren't /that/ much higher than the highsec ores (excluding omber and veldspar), is that they're somewhat over mined. if fewer people mined them, the price would rise, as the constituent minerals would be rarer.


Now, if you introduce a mini game, you really only have the option of increasing the yield (or nerfing the yield in high).

/Unless/ that mini game isn't actually on the mining, but on finding things to mine. at that point, that's where the limiting factor is. Sure, you can, with attention, triple your yield. But if that just means you deplete your find faster, then it's workable. In more dangerous space, you're reducing your window of risk. In high, you're just cutting down on the time you have to actually be mining.

Willingness to speak up even when it's something you don't know much about isn't necessarily a bad thing. Someone with experience will often as not have their ideas chained by that box. Someone from the outside, unburdened by experience and the biases that come with it, will see things that should be obvious, will think of things the expert never would, and then if they are too far into left field, they can be dialed back a bit.

I don't want people to be able to just pick somewhere from their overview, or their anomaly scanner, to go there to mine. It should require a little more effort to get started. Not a great deal more (for basic ores) but more.

Off the top of my head, I'd think that emplacing scanner deployables around the system, which can then be used to scan for asteroids, with some kind of heat map mini-game, with a cool down. Possibly with better ones being corporation only. Yes, something like the older scanning system, but without the auto timeout. and yes, you'll need to perform maintenance on them to keep them from going pop once a month.


Gankers can still find you, with combat probes. Nothing protects you past that. But the low hanging fruit is removed.

If you don't want that effort, then there would be mining missions.


Bear in mind, this is just me spit balling. The kind of thing which I'd like to see CCP work on. No promises (as that's not how the CSM workd)

The current system is far from perfect, but for getting people to work together, it's problematic to do through an automated system. You don't want to have random people having to depends on other random people to geth through the tutorial. That's just asking for trouble.

Now, what might help is if the Blood Stained stars Arc had more to draw people together, with similar ages.

Perhaps a channel you're automatically joined to for a time after you start. Ideally with people watching, and an instruction not to mess with the newbies on it, under pain of GMs kicking you a lot.

(messing with people is fine. Messing with total newbies isn't.)

Lets try that again then:

The current tutorial system does reasonably for getting across many of the basics.

However, it isn't good for for getting across many of the rules of thumb that players teach newbros as a matter of course.

Such as 'fit a single type of tank'. Or 'One kind of weapon only'.

Now, I can't think of a way to do it interactively, so I'd suggest adding two sets of things:

A good set of basic fits. Call them Navy Doctrine. This could be restricted to T1 racial frigates (I'd probably add destroyers and maybe one or two cruisers). Any significant rebalancing would require this to be reworked, which is why it shouldn't be on all ships, as nice as that would be)

The second is a set of videos with the explanations. These would have to be restricted in scope to the the core rules, due to the requirements for localisation.


Possibly add something to do with ewar and warp disruption too, as 'advanced' tutorials.

You have my vote.

Thank you for all that you've already contributed.

Yes, please do announce the start of the election on your website. I tend to forget the forums exist (For my mental health), but I'm frequently on your site playing with your tools (That's hot!).