Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You and you alone are flying the Phantasm, I fear.

The Nightmare doesn't really need much of a boost. On it, the AB bonus will simply be an interesting option. The clever thing about the AB bonus is that it gives most help to the ships that most need it, as opposed to a uniform boost that makes the NM too powerful, mostly to the benefit of highsec incursioneers, and doesn't fix the ships that actually need help.

ALL OF THIS

It makes the sansha in a great mix of Rokh and Abaddon with the damage potential of a vindi to give the amarr a heavy brawler pirate race while the blood raiders can remain the skirmisher types

Rise
the cruor without being able to neut or nos past 10km will inevitably die to anything that has a web and an AB by mere kiting it outside its neut/nos range it effectively becomes worse then a tormentor in that situation

the after burner bonus just will not work on a battleship and I have my doubts with the phantasm as well
the nightmare just lack so many things the mach has, its gonna be much slower for one, less range and tracking, less agile
a 100mn phantasm while being just as fast as a 100mn tengu will also be much less agile have less range and being a gun ship needs to watch its tracking, it has way less tank and capacitor live

on the other hand it might be too easy for a succubus to just run away from a fight when ever it wants since few frigates use two webs they will not be able to hold it down

PS: the AB bonus was only very powerful on assault frigates due to the combination of heavy tank and high dps same goes for the tengu

This. The Amarr damage bonus will probably be merged to the role bonus on the hull too to make room for the AB, so the NM will just get a little more versatile. Don't expect any big buffs for the NM, CCP is content with it.

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Dalikah wrote:
Just to reply to your latest post Rise:

The 40s reload timer:
Do you really feel like a 40s period of not being able to effectively defend yourself against tackle is not a deal-breaker, when an Interceptor is going to be able to pass 2 systems and tackle you in this amount of time with Rubicon? And why would one ever invest 2-300m ISK into a HAC that can do nothing but warp in, kill a few Frigates and is then either useless for 40s or forced off? The same problem comes with the inability to switch ammo efficently, an Enyo can appear basically out of nowhere within seconds, render your kinetic missiles useless and force a reload - good luck kiting long enough to reload and kill an MWD-bonused AF.

Also, yes, RLML deal a whole lot of damage to MWDing T1-frigs, and a reasonable amount to AFs, but have you ever actually looked at a DPS graph against a properly fitted Interceptor backed up by the Rubicon changes? A current 3x BCU Cerberus does 90 DPS to a Malediction using faction missiles, which means it would take almost 40 seconds (or 30s with precision) to kill it . That sounds reasonable and well balanced, why does it have to change?
Yes, nice, it will take less time with the ROF changes, but you-&re not going to kill more than 1-2 before you have to reload, which is nothing but a bad joke (this also assumes no links, no heat and ignores the greatly reduced range through the Ceptor-&s high speed). And this is just about the Cerberus, the by far highest-DPS RLML platform - others like Caracal and Fleet Scythe would suffer even more.

You also state that the front-loaded DPS and ridiculous reload will bring "new kinds of decision making" and "spikes of tension", which basically translates to more tactical gameplay.
This is simply completely false. Missiles in general already tend to offer slightly less tactical and piloting options than turret ships in return for a more reliable dps output, just because the whole mechanics around transversal and maneuvers to force people into taking more damage from your weapons do not really exist in missile based combat. Instead, you have the immunity to tracking disruption, resistance to ECM and damps via FoFs as well as (semi-)fully selectable damagetypes - your changes would make all of those bar the td-immunity more or less obsolete in the heat of a fight. This leaves us with a very dull and stale weapon system, that basically only allows 1 tactic: choose ammo, warp in, try to gank the lowest ehp ship(s), burn off/warp off/die. This offers no diversity, no ability to react to changing circumstances in a reasonable amount of time (i.e. new incoming tackle, need of max (fury) dps, etc), simply no interesting nor challenging gameplay.

If you really feel like RLML are slightly overpowered in their current state (I don-&t see people shooting monuments over RLML so they can-&t be ridiculously strong and need a nerf into the ground, like you proposed here), then reduce their damage application and volley by a little, then see how things go.

I appreciate the fact that you want to try out new ideas and concepts, and the basic idea of front-loaded dps or swarm-missiles surely has potential, but it-&s nothing to bring up 1.5 weeks before the patch goes live, nor something to replace "normal" launchers with - throw them onto Singularity along with tweaks to the "normal" RLML, give people time to test them out. gather data, adjust accordingly and consider a further rebalancing of RLML with Rubicon 1.1 (the changes in powergrid need already are a bit of nerf for now, aren-&t they).
You even basically admitted yourself that making such drastic changes to a popular weapon does bring a lot of problems with it if not part of the future entire module/weapon tiericide and rebalancing - so please take yourself some time and think about your ideas again.
In fact, with the shifts of the Eve meta towards Cruisers/HACs and away from battlecruisers, reverting the nerf to HML application might be an interesting move on Singularity to see how people react and adapt, and then look at RLML again and ask yourself if they really are/were too strong, or the other medium sized missile systems too weak.

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#HEALTHCARE2014

If the target has 0 cap, you get 0 cap I think. Its also almost impossible to have 0 cap though, even if you are capped out in a cycle you will get some cap before the module cycles again.

So when is this going to hit SiSi?

Why is the Nightmare the most important Sansha ship?

I am not.

The Nightmare still needs some capacitor and mobility love. I have flown her and shooting conflag and shield tanking makes you wish for x-large heavy cap boosters with ten 800 charges and a cap booster cycle time of 9 seconds.

Any sort of cap pressure and your one billion gank boat goes to Neverland.


About the Cruor,
I am not sure what your complaints are all about?

That boat gets a web range bonus and a NOS slurp bonus (ok that one would suit the Succubus better because 'Succubus' but I'll let that slide..).
Nobody ever said you need to activate all modules at the same time in any situation and if you are worried about the meta 1-5 NOS range, well use the deadspace type-a one - haz 15.6km range.

I found one recently and you cannot have it, muhahahahaha.

Everything that the Sansha boats get will (hopefully) be better then they are now and I still hope they all get some capacitor love or my lasers will stay very sad.

I am also sad that my idea about the Sanshas getting a smartbomb anti-drone role didn't get considered but we have to live with that until next time I guess.

This is why people are talking about the Gila and Rattlesnake; you said each Guristas ships not just the Worm. And it's a horrible idea for the reasons already mentioned; it adds an impossible-to-balance situation regarding sentry drones, which I think you guys could use a little less of.

What about using Guristas to solve other real drone problems, instead of rehashing a tired, old buff: time to apply damage to target. If drones could be on target almost as quickly as they are launched, that would go a long way to giving Guristas a very useful drone buff.

You could also explore a Guristas-only drone family with unique abilities, including mobile sentry drones that moved about half as fast as heavies when not shooting but have to stop when they do start shooting. Think Terran tanks in Starcraft that need to "deploy" or "siege" (both horrible word choices) before they want to cause real damage ... a few seconds before they start shooting to stop and reconfigure themselves, and a few seconds after shooting to reconfigure and start moving again.

If you continue with the path you've chosen, you'll just be revisiting it again later because it's too overpowered. Don't even go there in the first place.