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Dalden V
Yellow Lounge Industries
#1 - 2014-03-02 09:56:29 UTC
So while looking at my transaction history, I saw this:

http://i.imgur.com/d1MbJv5.png

12 different characters, all buying exactly 32 units of Republic Fleet Fusion L at exactly the same time.

And, as I'm posting this now, I realize it's probably not so strange... it's probably a multi-boxer using some sort of software to repeat his mouse and keyboard commands to all clients and he just bought ammo for his gank squad.

Anyway.. still leaving it here in case someone else finds it interesting :)
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#2 - 2014-03-02 11:13:34 UTC
I hate ISObox, but this is one use of it I can endorse.

Mainly because if these sorts of ganks become really widespread they might get ISObox declared not to be acceptable gameplay.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#3 - 2014-03-02 13:05:06 UTC
Yeah that'll be ISBoxer.
I doubt very much it will get declared as unacceptable any time soon. People multi-boxing with ISBoxer don't really negatively impact the game that much, there's only certain activities that can de done with it and for the most part the advantage over "regular" playing is minimal. If they did outlaw it though, all you'd see is a spike in mineral prices, a drop in plex prices and thousands of accounts unsubbing.

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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#4 - 2014-03-02 17:07:46 UTC
With names like that, what else could it be, truly?
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#5 - 2014-03-02 21:20:26 UTC
Imagine if he would have chosen the wrong order times 12... you know the one I mean, the highest price lol. If this was anywhere but Jita, I'd be surprised of this use, but corp offices are relatively expensive here, assuming the characters aren't in NPC corps. The problem with using ISBoxer to buy fittings is that you may run into some items where single quantities of some items screw the whole thing up.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#6 - 2014-03-02 22:35:06 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Yeah that'll be ISBoxer.
I doubt very much it will get declared as unacceptable any time soon. People multi-boxing with ISBoxer don't really negatively impact the game that much, there's only certain activities that can de done with it and for the most part the advantage over "regular" playing is minimal. If they did outlaw it though, all you'd see is a spike in mineral prices, a drop in plex prices and thousands of accounts unsubbing.


The same can be said of botting, and CCP take a pretty hard line against that. Allowing 23/7 bots would result in more people creating PLEXed alt accounts.

I'm waiting for someone to make an ISBoxer fleet large enough that it can alpha freighters in cruisers, while an in-corp ally drops an MTU (to scoop the cruiser loot after CONCORDOOKEN) and uses a freighter to grab the drops from the ganked freighter. The cruisers' drones kill anyone that points the suspect freighter, and 15-18 mintues later, you can rinse and repeat.

On getting to -4.8 sec status, the whole fleet can reship into Vexors and sentry assist in missions or DED complexes.

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Thur Barbek
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-03-04 03:32:49 UTC
Eh, iso boxing still requires a human to provide inputs. You can't turn it on in the morning and come home after work to find your fleet mined a few billion minerals.

Also i have seen a fleet of 83 mackinaws named "ice miner 001, 002, 003..." Biggest iso boxer i have seen. (this was before the ice mining change)
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#8 - 2014-03-04 04:10:05 UTC
Thur Barbek wrote:
Eh, iso boxing still requires a human to provide inputs. You can't turn it on in the morning and come home after work to find your fleet mined a few billion minerals.

Also i have seen a fleet of 83 mackinaws named "ice miner 001, 002, 003..." Biggest iso boxer i have seen. (this was before the ice mining change)



I have seen a fleet like that get smartbombed, it was a thing of beauty. IIRC 42 Mackinaws and 39 pods were popped (along with the 6 or so battleships used for the attack, and three or four of their pods).

Bots require human input too, just less of it than ISBoxers, who in turn require less than manual multiboxers.

The issue with ISBoxing is that, when applied to anything where there is a fairly constant reward per click (old ice mining, current asteroid mining, etc, and even suicide ganking in some situations), it offers a moderately scalable way to duplicate those rewards. In doing so it drives down the return for people not involved in ISBoxing.

I'm honestly tempted to set up a gank fleet with ISBoxer, set up in Apanake, and just indisciminately alpha missioning ships and pods until the carebear tears lead to ISBoxer being banned. If my home computer could run 20 clients, I would do it.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#9 - 2014-03-04 16:56:11 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Yeah that'll be ISBoxer.
I doubt very much it will get declared as unacceptable any time soon. People multi-boxing with ISBoxer don't really negatively impact the game that much, there's only certain activities that can de done with it and for the most part the advantage over "regular" playing is minimal. If they did outlaw it though, all you'd see is a spike in mineral prices, a drop in plex prices and thousands of accounts unsubbing.


The same can be said of botting, and CCP take a pretty hard line against that. Allowing 23/7 bots would result in more people creating PLEXed alt accounts.
Bots are different, since they operate at a much higher efficiency, way beyond human capability and so they upset the economy. ISBoxer only gives a minimal advantage, and yes I speak from experience.

If they scrapped ISBoxer, they'd lose a bunch of subs, but people would still complain about the huge numbers of miners who appear to be ISBoxer fleets but are in fact not. I can easily run 10 without ISBoxer for example, ISBoxer just means I can swap between screens a bit quicker without my PC having a small fit.

Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I'm waiting for someone to make an ISBoxer fleet large enough that it can alpha freighters in cruisers, while an in-corp ally drops an MTU (to scoop the cruiser loot after CONCORDOOKEN) and uses a freighter to grab the drops from the ganked freighter. The cruisers' drones kill anyone that points the suspect freighter, and 15-18 mintues later, you can rinse and repeat.

On getting to -4.8 sec status, the whole fleet can reship into Vexors and sentry assist in missions or DED complexes.
There's already fleets big enough, theres a 100 man mining fleet about somewhere. But what you are describing would gain an advantage only during a gank and during the grind for SS. The rest would require specific commands, and while ISBoxer broadcast commands to multiple screens, it does nothing for you. You would still need to manually control the looter. The cruisers at that point would be concorded, rendering their drones useless and you'd not be able to tell them to warp off while you were trying to control the freighter. If it were a simple as you make it sound it definitely would have been done by now.

Just curious, but do you actually know how ISBoxer works? I get the impression that you are guessing at how it works a fair bit. It's not a tool that allows you to automate complex actions (at least it's not where EVE is concerned), it just allows you to do the exact same clicks and keypresses in multiple windows. It does this: http://www.liquidsilver.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/eve-keyboard.jpg

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#10 - 2014-03-04 17:47:59 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:

I'm waiting for someone to make an ISBoxer fleet large enough that it can alpha freighters in cruisers, while an in-corp ally drops an MTU (to scoop the cruiser loot after CONCORDOOKEN) and uses a freighter to grab the drops from the ganked freighter. The cruisers' drones kill anyone that points the suspect freighter, and 15-18 mintues later, you can rinse and repeat.


I assume this is already done, except for the fact that OP catalysts make tornados less appealing than they used to be. We've had isboxing miners, incursion runners, pvpers, and gankers, I doubt a few more isboxing gankers is going to convince CCP of anything.

I know a few people that use isboxer, but for nothing like that, just to better manage a few accounts doing separate activities.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#11 - 2014-03-04 22:15:56 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Yeah that'll be ISBoxer.
I doubt very much it will get declared as unacceptable any time soon. People multi-boxing with ISBoxer don't really negatively impact the game that much, there's only certain activities that can de done with it and for the most part the advantage over "regular" playing is minimal. If they did outlaw it though, all you'd see is a spike in mineral prices, a drop in plex prices and thousands of accounts unsubbing.


The same can be said of botting, and CCP take a pretty hard line against that. Allowing 23/7 bots would result in more people creating PLEXed alt accounts.
Bots are different, since they operate at a much higher efficiency, way beyond human capability and so they upset the economy. ISBoxer only gives a minimal advantage, and yes I speak from experience.

If they scrapped ISBoxer, they'd lose a bunch of subs, but people would still complain about the huge numbers of miners who appear to be ISBoxer fleets but are in fact not. I can easily run 10 without ISBoxer for example, ISBoxer just means I can swap between screens a bit quicker without my PC having a small fit.

Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I'm waiting for someone to make an ISBoxer fleet large enough that it can alpha freighters in cruisers, while an in-corp ally drops an MTU (to scoop the cruiser loot after CONCORDOOKEN) and uses a freighter to grab the drops from the ganked freighter. The cruisers' drones kill anyone that points the suspect freighter, and 15-18 mintues later, you can rinse and repeat.

On getting to -4.8 sec status, the whole fleet can reship into Vexors and sentry assist in missions or DED complexes.
There's already fleets big enough, theres a 100 man mining fleet about somewhere. But what you are describing would gain an advantage only during a gank and during the grind for SS. The rest would require specific commands, and while ISBoxer broadcast commands to multiple screens, it does nothing for you. You would still need to manually control the looter. The cruisers at that point would be concorded, rendering their drones useless and you'd not be able to tell them to warp off while you were trying to control the freighter. If it were a simple as you make it sound it definitely would have been done by now.

Just curious, but do you actually know how ISBoxer works? I get the impression that you are guessing at how it works a fair bit. It's not a tool that allows you to automate complex actions (at least it's not where EVE is concerned), it just allows you to do the exact same clicks and keypresses in multiple windows. It does this: http://www.liquidsilver.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/eve-keyboard.jpg


I'm aware of how ISBoxer works, yes, and that the freighter in question would not be able to be controlled by it.

Here's the mechanics of how you'd do it:

- Set up all of the cruisers to drone assist a cheap ship that locks fast and is not in the ISBoxer fleet. Possibly DPS drones, possibly ECM ones. Instalocker/fast locker is in corp with the freighter and fits two webs.
- Have the cruisers alpha the freighter (using an overview tab that only shows frieghters so it is in the same spot on all the overviews). Gate guns start picking them off, and CONCORD's 19s timer begins. They can swap to other targets if other targets are available, perhaps by using a tab that shows battleships and industrials.
- Friendly freighter (not ISBoxed) loots, goes suspect, gets webbed into warp by the instalocker.
- If the freighter gets pointed, the fast locker suicide attacks the person pointing it while maintaining webs on the freighter. Drones will take it out of the fight before CONCORD arrives.
- Cruiser alpha fleet remain on grid and all get CONCORDED and wait to get podded by random people, then all upgrade to a beta/gamma clone together in their staging station, jump in the next ship, and repeat after 15m.
- If sec status gets low, the cruiser alpha fleet reship into brick-tanked droneboats (probably Vexor Navy Issues), undock en masse, fly as a fleet to a nearby lowsec system, and drone assist to clear anomolies to regain sec. ISBoxer sets up the drone assist onto one ship (not in the ISBoxer fleet) and you rat like crazy.

Basically it lets you scale up existing ways people gank Iterons 'solo with alts' to target freighters solo.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#12 - 2014-03-04 22:37:57 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I'm aware of how ISBoxer works, yes, and that the freighter in question would not be able to be controlled by it.

Here's the mechanics of how you'd do it:

- Set up all of the cruisers to drone assist a cheap ship that locks fast and is not in the ISBoxer fleet. Possibly DPS drones, possibly ECM ones. Instalocker/fast locker is in corp with the freighter and fits two webs.
- Have the cruisers alpha the freighter (using an overview tab that only shows frieghters so it is in the same spot on all the overviews). Gate guns start picking them off, and CONCORD's 19s timer begins. They can swap to other targets if other targets are available, perhaps by using a tab that shows battleships and industrials.
- Friendly freighter (not ISBoxed) loots, goes suspect, gets webbed into warp by the instalocker.
- If the freighter gets pointed, the fast locker suicide attacks the person pointing it while maintaining webs on the freighter. Drones will take it out of the fight before CONCORD arrives.
- Cruiser alpha fleet remain on grid and all get CONCORDED and wait to get podded by random people, then all upgrade to a beta/gamma clone together in their staging station, jump in the next ship, and repeat after 15m.
- If sec status gets low, the cruiser alpha fleet reship into brick-tanked droneboats (probably Vexor Navy Issues), undock en masse, fly as a fleet to a nearby lowsec system, and drone assist to clear anomolies to regain sec. ISBoxer sets up the drone assist onto one ship (not in the ISBoxer fleet) and you rat like crazy.

Basically it lets you scale up existing ways people gank Iterons 'solo with alts' to target freighters solo.
Oh is that all. Then by all means do it. I think you'll find that executing that is not a simple as the 1.2.3... steps you've laid out. Even when you use isboxer to eliminate some clicks.

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