EVE General Discussion

Not that it'll do a newbie any good, because a newbie with a 100M SP character is still a newbie, with absolutely no idea about how to leverage that characters SP effectively, taking the pay2win (Tacomacos words not mine) shortcut invariably ends in tears, because Eve is as much about personal skills as it is about the characters skills.

Not exactly the same, but very similar. Difference being the effect would be concentrated instead of distributed in time.

After a +5% SP gift, you'd have roughly the same SP that you would've had if the training time were 5% faster for the entire duration of your toons' 'active EVE lifespan' (adjusted for your remap/implant choices). Roughly 2.5 weeks/year, so 5-6 weeks in your case.

It would still have an impact on the character bazaar, for example, and still give people (especially older players) some new toys fast.

Are you saying you are less 'hardcore' than most of the other posters, and would oppose faster skill training but would welcome a one-time SP bonus to all active toons?

Not really.

Training, say, racial Drone Specialization to V just adds +2% dmg bonus so yeah, most people would postpone it.

OTOH, Propulsion Jamming V is necessary to fly 'dictors and HICs, for example.

So the essence of the question was: do you think having more people able to fly around in T2 ships is a good idea? Would it make EVE a better place?

Vast majority answered no, I'm fine with that, it's cool that people like the 'pace' of the game as it is.

I understand the arguments of the op but honestly, the faster you interiorize the mantras of eve, the better for you, really. Come on, don't be shy, join the cult.

Ah, but I am mate.

Got into solo lowsec PVP in my second month (80 kills / 120 losses, and yes SP was rarely if ever the deciding factor) and now I'm hosting a hot topic on GD - which is arguably riskier than throwing away 120 T1 frigs...

Doing my best to become a cultist, with or without Cruiser V!

this is exactly what 'amateur' players couldn't do. So they demanded learning skills to be removed

I doubt a 5% buff to skilltraining would be all that noticeable in all honesty. Older players do eventually learn about diminishing returns, it's rare to see them complain about skilltraining times.

I can see why newer players might want a slight buff early on - and I suspect most people remember varying degrees of frustration - hence the ongoing debate about whether initial skilltraining adversely affects player retention. There's an idea here suggesting changes to new characters - which I don't suport - but the comments section highlights why people are divided over change.

If issues about skill progression have roots largely in new player ignorance about what to train and how far perhaps there could be a better explanation about skilltraining in the NPE, or even a few core basic skillplans like the one in Tippia's sig. I love Evemon and 3rd party apps, but it is annoying that something as basic as a skillplanner isn't integrated into the game.

You are correct, my OP was generic.

But yes, the end-state I had in mind was pretty much an EVE-universe with more people in T2s. Not because T1 is bad in any way, nor because T2s are necesarily more powerful. Just because they open up more options, specifically in pvp (which is my main interest).

The idea that seemed appealing is having more often different ships with different abilities on the field. In solo, gang, fleet combat whatever. I figured that would make for more interesting gameplay for all, newbies and vets alike.

On the side, I thought achieving this with a flat 'faster training' could have a similar positive effect (more variety) on other EVE carreers as well.


Vast majority of people seem pretty much ok with the way things are though, and seem concerned that having new toys faster would take some of the value out of them. Do you have a different take, specifically on 'time-to-acquire' T2 ships?

Don't let the door hit you and your fellow fairweather capsuleers on the way out. Enjoy your vaporware.

ANother issue, and I only jest a bit relates to players with lots of skills. CCP has to keep swinging the nerf bat because of our level 5's and large fleets. I fear that they can't swing it fast enough if they increase skills across the board.