EVE General Discussion

now this is more like the debate i was trying to get going.

thank you all for joining in and lets keep this polite.

I got like 3 or 4 saved remaps - heck I just never cared for it.

Now, if we could SELL one of our saved remaps - that would be good. I'd trade one for a couple of PLEX.

If you want to remove attributes (which is effectively what you're asking for), ask them to remove attributes — don't ask for pay to win schemes. And yes, it is a P2W-scheme: you're paying for the privilege of not being affected by normal game mechanics. It doesn't really matter what those mechanics are; you're still paying to not be bothered by some part of the game.


You're not hamstrung and if your skill plan can't cover a full year, you should probably go for a mixed remap anyway. There's nothing unreasonable about asking you to wait a year since by the time you actually need to start eating into your real remaps, year-long blocks of training should be the norm. Before that, you can remap more often anyway so there's no reason to change how often it can be done.

Presumably, new characters would no longer receive any free remaps then, or would be barred from selling them for a year or two?

I think 12 months are fine.

Looking at the rate I consume remaps, it's not even close to being an issue. I need a remap approximately every 18 months, some characters have been on the same attributes for more than two years.

Choices need to have consequences. Otherwise they are meaningless. So technically I'd have to vote for a longer remap period? Nah, keep it 12 months. That's fine.

Look up the definition of "slippery slope", hopefully accompanied by some horrifying examples which have resulted from your way of thinking. Then get back to us. Hth.

Also, Eve has got 99 problems, but remaps ain't one of them.

12 months isn't that bad really. Time flies. How about you meet halfway? 9 months.

Those were the days...

I create a character, and I have to assign 5 attribute points with no more than 3 points per attribute. I don't have a clue what attributes are or what they do. I'll have to live with my choice forever.

I wish there was a way, to sell my banked and unused remaps to others.

I still have another ~600 days to go with my current remap.

And I have 3 remaps banked

Oh well...

I really don't see how attributes or attribute remaps add to the game. Back in the old days, where bloodlines had certain attribute layouts and you had points to distribute... had a bit of an RP flavor to it, though on the downside it led to a bunch of Caldari due to initial attributes. Static attributes added a bit of a very light "this is my class" kinda vibe, but when you were starting the game you didn't know enough to make sensible choices about it.

If you are advocating for more remaps... I guess I'd ask "How does managing re-maps make the game more fun?" If the answer is "Because it gets me more skill points", well, I don't know that I support that, but even if I did, it seems more remaps would be a cumbersome and annoying way to achieve that end. "Welcome to Eve Online, manage attribute remaps to maximize your rate of skill point accrual!" doesn't seem like much of a selling point.

I'll start this out by saying I was one of those people who wasted my remaps at the very beginning, simply because I didn't understand what they were used for.

This is not CCP's "fault", and it's not the rest of the community's "fault" either- it's mine for not reading up on skill training in the first place and really grasping the concept of how to set a long-term skill plan into effect from the beginning. I've since corrected my ways, and put some long-term skill plan goals into effect- and I now queue up what I need to bearing in mind my previous mistake and dealing with it. It reminds me not to make the same mistake again- and helps me to focus on being patient, too.

That being said, remap waiting time is fine. If you made mistakes- then live with them. If you wasted your remaps- spend the next year really focusing on what you need to train, and when your remap comes back around, use it to focus on the next set of long-train skills. Read up on the primary and secondary attributes, too- before you put anything into effect and do a remap.