Player Features and Ideas Discussion

a 37% tracking bonus doesn't work at all to make heavy drones good on cruisers.

vexor navy issue disagrees..

also on worm i would suggest you move the missile damage bonus to role bonus...

is there a reason you are not adding more role bonuses like you did with the SOE ships?

also no mention of angels/serpentis in your post RISE ... DD should have drams drones, stronger armour tank /less shields and web mods need a nerf..
angels ships need sharper focus .. stronger shield emphasis .. means nerfing armour hp .. buff damage projection so they are the masters of projectiles that ISIS claims they are.. remove drones/launchers at least on the dram..

i would agrre with you there .. but at least gila should

The only way to run Sansha ships now will be active shield tank with speed or damage rigs. So no more buffer tank, and no more MWD, nothing interesting, just standard cookie cutter stuff. The nightmare is going to be a joke.

Why would anyone fit a buffer tank along with shield rigs and watch the benefit they just got from having an afterburner bonus wiped out.

So what is the point then, if you are missing and your enemy are both missing then the ships are just going to be a joke. And an afterburner even with a bonus isn't going to give any range control against the majority of opponents you face, you still need a MWD for that.

These proposals have basically reduced flying Sansha ships to be like flying an expensive Minmatar ship.

CCP Rise and team,

At this point, I doubt I can change your mind, one way or the other, though I going to give it one more shot.

I don’t have the experience of running a game with as many players as EVE though on a lower level I’ve ran a game that involved about 150 people for about 8 years on a monthly bases.
And I have had discussions quite similar like this one on many occasions.

The thing you call flavor ( I think I read some condescending in the text as well, though that could be just the post), is the reason people play your game.

I’m quite sure no player will sign up for EVE online because there is a Frigate that fires lasers and has a AB bonus.
Players sign up because they want to play a SiFi game with space ships, players played this game even now before those pirate ships are balanced, in that light “flavor” or Setting/lore should never be taken lightly.

Now I’m the first to admit that there is a difference in the importance of the global setting and changing a line in that setting, though even in changing or ignoring little things you’re start creating chaos which has the habit of turning in to confusion, incomprehensive content in a way that is usually hard to predict.

In that light, a good gameplay design should always be molded to be consequent with existing setting and lore, unless there is a very good reason, like a event, storyline or just no other way to pull things off, that later should be molded in a event or storyline though.

If there are 6 pirate lines, that consist of a combination of 2 of the major empire’s that each give something o their own “flavor” to that line, you should put up most effort in trying to keep that consistency going. And not have 5 lines that have and 1 that hasn’t (with Gurista’s being iffy due to the strange mix up in bonuses), because of a “good” game mechanic.

Not to sound too harsh, but last 2 “good” mechanics, from you and your team, left us with 2 broken launcher systems and an unsellable battleship, by stepping over so called details.
And now that battleship needs to be tinkered in to a lower price by overstepping more “flavor”.
And none of them where a necessity.

Just create a Sansha ship that actually consist of Anmar and Caldari influences and create a nice new race/line around the Lazer AB concept.

I hope I was at least able to make myself clear, in this matter, wishing for more.

Regards.

Mike

Rise is right. Sansha flavor has never been strong. The flavor of the ships is 95% in the visual design. The other 5% of their flavor is in them being released as pirate marauders along with the original marauders. They used to be missile spewing armor tracking disrupting NPCs, but now they shoot lasers and still are armor tanked. And the player ships are laser-shooting shield tanking. They need flavor, because in the gameplay, they don't have much (helped in no small part by the nightmare being the only one worth a damn). So chill out about the AB thing, it is some much needed flavor.

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I can't understand the hate on the Worm. The ship will be insanely powerful, if not OP. A new bro for the caldari lineup of insanely effective ships, trading a mid slot for raw firepower.

Really, if anyone start shooting at the Worm drones, he is insane. A Hobgobelin 2 will reach ~4kehp, which is more than a lightly tanked frigate, and he have 3 brothers in the dronebay. Of course you can use EWAR or whatever against the drones, but don't forget the Worm is still here spewing missiles.

As for the Cruor, it's a Tormentor on steroids : hp compensate for the fourth low slot, and it earn more laser dps, long range web and good old OP nosferatu. Granted nos bonus + web bonus don't complement each other very well, but even without any one of them the ship will be brutal. Remember pulse laser are the mightest weapon between 5 and 10km, and the usual strategy against them is to dive and outtrack them. Here, if you dive the nos will be your doom.