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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#1 - 2011-11-28 13:20:35 UTC
Are dessies changes on sisi still valid?

> lower sig radius
> removing of RoF penalty


....



If yes - dessie gangs will be deadly :) ... my first pvp ship (for my first serious kills) was AC thrasher BTW
Zeerover
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2011-11-28 13:28:01 UTC
As far as we know they're final, and many people are drooling over it, since it will be a gamebreaker with 700 dps Catalysts and 550 dps Cormorants.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Qrwa2.png[/img]
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#3 - 2011-11-28 13:42:17 UTC
Zeerover wrote:
As far as we know they're final, and many people are drooling over it, since it will be a gamebreaker with 700 dps Catalysts and 550 dps Cormorants.




we will see .... blaster cormy will definitely be interesting option ...

Lack of full tackle on catalyst still makes tings complicated
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#4 - 2011-11-28 13:43:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
Zeerover wrote:
As far as we know they're final, and many people are drooling over it, since it will be a gamebreaker with 700 dps Catalysts and 550 dps Cormorants.




we will see .... blaster cormy will definitely be interesting option ...

Lack of full tackle on catalyst still makes tings complicated

medium neuts will still make their life miserable .... but hell ... they will be throw away shipies (ship + hippie) ;)
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-28 13:57:04 UTC
Zeerover wrote:
As far as we know they're final, and many people are drooling over it, since it will be a gamebreaker with 700 dps Catalysts and 550 dps Cormorants.



post some stats, because that dps figure sounds like bullshit, and if it isnt, it should be.

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#6 - 2011-11-28 14:03:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
Skippermonkey wrote:
Zeerover wrote:
As far as we know they're final, and many people are drooling over it, since it will be a gamebreaker with 700 dps Catalysts and 550 dps Cormorants.



post some stats, because that dps figure sounds like bullshit, and if it isnt, it should be.



well i guess there is math theory .... if current AC thrasher has 290 dps overheated >>>>> without rof penalty can be 580 dps.

with same logic make neutron setups (after patch) ROF penalty removal + ability to fit full neutrons >>> overheated can make shitload of dps in small ball around catalyst.

More interesting are arty thrashers and scorch coercers.

HMMMMMMMM .... goood i have nicely researched thrasher BPO :)
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#7 - 2011-11-28 14:21:21 UTC
Hidden Snake wrote:

well i guess there is math theory .... if current AC thrasher has 290 dps overheated >>>>> without rof penalty can be 580 dps.


well, according to wiki:
Penalty: -25% Rate Of Fire for all turrets

which means removal of this penalty will increase current RoF by 25% which in your example would make 290 into 362.5 dps.

but I'm not good with math theory...

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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#8 - 2011-11-28 14:23:29 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Hidden Snake wrote:

well i guess there is math theory .... if current AC thrasher has 290 dps overheated >>>>> without rof penalty can be 580 dps.


well, according to wiki:
Penalty: -25% Rate Of Fire for all turrets

which means removal of this penalty will increase current RoF by 25% which in your example would make 290 into 362.5 dps.

but I'm not good with math theory...



mea culpa .... for some silly reason I thoutgh there was 50% penaly .... oki oki oki .... even then will be nice dps boost.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-11-28 14:36:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Planck
Also, from the patch notes dessy's get 25% bonus to capacitor and sig decrease and a 10% bonus to shield and armor.

Something else to chew on

I has all the eve inactivity
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#10 - 2011-11-28 14:37:36 UTC
Hidden Snake wrote:
mea culpa .... for some silly reason I thoutgh there was 50% penaly .... oki oki oki .... even then will be nice dps boost.


with 50% penalty removed it still would be "only" 435 dps :)

but yes, it is nice to have more power to punch baddies with :)

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Zeerover
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2011-11-28 14:37:40 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Zeerover wrote:
As far as we know they're final, and many people are drooling over it, since it will be a gamebreaker with 700 dps Catalysts and 550 dps Cormorants.



post some stats, because that dps figure sounds like bullshit, and if it isnt, it should be.


You do know this isn't the first thread where this is discussed right?:)

There is plenty of threads on this subject, (1, 2 etc) but for a screenshot of an actual fit (Crucible modified pyfa found here) you can check this post on k.com (CCP doesn't like linking to the site, so fill in the * yourself), there you have a 655 dps catalyst without dps rigs in, adding one of those makes it break 700.

Is it a glass cannon? Yes absolutely, but it's a class cannon doing 700 dps (OH) long enough to melt things way above it's weight class.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Qrwa2.png[/img]
Zeerover
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2011-11-28 14:40:13 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Hidden Snake wrote:

well i guess there is math theory .... if current AC thrasher has 290 dps overheated >>>>> without rof penalty can be 580 dps.


well, according to wiki:
Penalty: -25% Rate Of Fire for all turrets

which means removal of this penalty will increase current RoF by 25% which in your example would make 290 into 362.5 dps.

but I'm not good with math theory...


Removing a 25% decrease increases the current number by 33%...

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Qrwa2.png[/img]
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#13 - 2011-11-28 16:39:41 UTC
Destroyers don't have enough low slots to fit your stabs.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2011-11-28 19:14:49 UTC
Can't wait for trasher alpha fleets owning even MOAR! Bear

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper
grazer gin
Raving Rednecks
#15 - 2011-11-28 19:41:50 UTC
Zeerover wrote:
As far as we know they're final, and many people are drooling over it, since it will be a gamebreaker with 700 dps Catalysts and 550 dps Cormorants.



YES GAME BREAKING oh wait THEY HAVE 0 TANK

Quit crying and shoot it
Zeerover
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2011-11-28 20:09:54 UTC
grazer gin wrote:
Zeerover wrote:
As far as we know they're final, and many people are drooling over it, since it will be a gamebreaker with 700 dps Catalysts and 550 dps Cormorants.



YES GAME BREAKING oh wait THEY HAVE 0 TANK

Quit crying and shoot it


Oh I'm not crying about it, I'm drooling about it and will of course be using them in minor plex fights extensively. Learn to read.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Qrwa2.png[/img]
Will Strafe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-11-28 21:02:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Will Strafe
Destroyers should be strengthened in order to deal with frigates. A tracking bonus making them the fear of all the pirate frigates roaming about, for example. A tank that would be serious business to same frigs, but not to bigger ships.

They were always intended as anti frigate ships, and as such they are needed more than ever. Why do we need another anti-cruiser frigate-like thing? Those are called Assault Ships.
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-11-28 21:21:50 UTC
Will Strafe wrote:
Destroyers should be strengthened in order to deal with frigates. A tracking bonus making them the fear of all the pirate frigates roaming about, for example. A tank that would be serious business to same frigs, but not to bigger ships.

They were always intended as anti frigate ships, and as such they are needed more than ever. Why do we need another anti-cruiser frigate-like thing? Those are called Assault Ships.


Dessies finally getting a long-needed boost to prove they really ARE Destroyers. :) I like. :)
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#19 - 2011-11-28 21:39:45 UTC
The arty Thrasher is not really helped by the changes...I mean it helps but not critically...since its all about the alpha witht he arty boats...


Now the Straight up DPS machines...Catalysts and Coercers and AC Thrashers...and Cormorants?...Imagine 15 of those sitting on a gate doing 500+ DPS each...SCORCH!
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-11-28 22:41:02 UTC
Dark Pangolin wrote:
The arty Thrasher is not really helped by the changes...I mean it helps but not critically...since its all about the alpha witht he arty boats...


Now the Straight up DPS machines...Catalysts and Coercers and AC Thrashers...and Cormorants?...Imagine 15 of those sitting on a gate doing 500+ DPS each...SCORCH!


Well imagine 15 arty trashers split in two groups, 10 km from one another, just alpha'ing any frigate ever.
Because **** Dramiels.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
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