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Wet behind the ears whippersnapper

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Jenni Psycho
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-03-03 09:14:12 UTC
As the title states I am a very very new player. My goal has always been to get into pvp (Specifically solo or small gangs/groups, but not piracy, I dont know if I could do that to people), and yesterday and today I did exactly that. I joined Faction Warfare and went to look for some solo pvp. I was lucky enough to find it fairly easy in the novice complexes. I exploded spectacularly. Many times. It was quite embarrassing, and fun! I enjoyed it though and I am more certain than ever that this is what I want to do in this game: FW. I also enjoyed piloting the frigate. In games I always prefer speed over brute force so frigate fits me well. From looking at ISIS I am considering specializing in frigates because with frigates I can do in your face speed pvp, stealth bombing, covert ops and some exploring for ISK.

But... There is always a but! I am realistic enough to know that I will not be able to compete right now because:


  1. I dont have the capital required to fund my learning experience
  2. I dont have the skills trained to be competitive


I have therefore resigned frocome up with a plan that will address both those things.

I will start working towards being able to do Level 4 missions. This will help me get ISK to fund my future learning experience and also I expect that many of the skills I will train to pilot a ship in L4 missions would help me pilot a solo frigate in FW successfully. I would like to buy, and outfit at least 10 frigates before I start to pvp again.

I dont really know enough about the game to say whether my plan will work or not. I just want to focus my training, up to now I have been messing around to much. I have reached a stage where I am able to do many things, but suck at them all. I want to focus on activities that will help me reach my goal, and that is to be good at FW.

If anyone can give me some pointers I would be extremely grateful. Currently I am using a Tristan frigate. I like the look of Gallente ships (Megathron is spaceporn to me) so I would like to stick to them. But as I said, I am going to PvE for a bit, so should I make my ISK goal enough to outfit 10 tristans or should I rather do it properly and rather buy and outfit 10 navy frigates, interceptors or even the Ishkur? I dont mind working a bit harder at pve to afford those ships.

In terms of training I intend to work on getting the masteries for the specific ship I choose to specialize in. I understand by reading by some of the other posts that I would need other skills for PVP that isnt inluded in the masteries. Can anyone please list the other skills I would need to train for pvp?

Thanks for reading this wall of text. In summary I list my questions incase I didnt make it clear:

1. What ship (Gallente Frigate) should I specialize in for now? I do not mind working harder and pve if I will do better with the more expensive frigates. I am looking for something that is good at fast, solo pvp as well as small gangs.
2. What skills that is not included in the Ship Mastery certificates do I need to train to make my pvp learning experience easier?
Jenni Psycho
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-03-03 10:10:07 UTC
Thanks for the comment I guess.

In general I never read game forums because of a general negative attitude amongst a portion of the player base. Since you mention WoW I would use the general forums there as a good example. For every small nonsensical change that is made to WoW you get a huge explosion of negative, jaded players that does their very best to burn everyone and everything. Take the druid form change a few years ago. It had people nerd raging so badly that people threatened (but yet never do) to quit.

Now you also sort of implied that soloing npc in wow takes skill? Since when? Any class, can solo anything short of a raid boss in that game. Do you know why? Because it was changed for the casual player. It is aimed at the casual player. With a small time investment you can solo everything excluding current tier content. Hell, roll a DK or Paladin and you can even solo some current content.

Personally I dont mind working hard to get something I want. If something (like pvp skills) is handed to me then I lose interest, like I did with WoW years ago. I prefer feeling a sense of real accomplishment. So if that means I suck at pvp, then so be it. Why should I be able to compete within a week with people who have worked hard at their characters for years? In some cases decades? Is it not a slap in their faces that a person who has shown no commitment be able to compete on a level playing field?

I am sorry for this rant, and this is not an attack on you personally. Your comment just highlighted I believe is wrong with internet forums.

Mods can close the thread as I will not be coming here again. I will be ingame, working my ass off at getting better.
Seliah
Red Cloud Vigil
#3 - 2014-03-03 10:14:44 UTC
Ignore the troll :)

You have the right mindset to get into pvp : first, get a stable ISK income, then learn to pvp and lose ships you can afford to lose. I can't go into details because I don't have ingame / eft / evemon access right now, but I wouldn't aim for L4 if I was you. If your goal is to pvp in T1 frigates (which is a good idea), you won't need a huge ISK income, and running L2's or L3's could be enough for that. That's something you could do in a cruiser or a T2 frigate I guess, which would save you the trouble of having to train for battleship stuff. Becoming efficient in frigate sized ships can be achieved rather quickly skillwise, so maybe focus on that first. Run lower level missions to start earning some ISK, you'll have plenty of time to upgrade to cruisers later.

And remember, bigger doesn't necessarily mean better in pvp, it's fine to spend time in frigates and investing skillpoints into frig sized stuff :)
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-03-03 17:03:42 UTC
OP, EVE is a fantastic PVP game because:

Player skill + Having friends >>> Skill Points

With an attitude like yours, trust me, you'll enjoy and be successful at EVE PVP from day 1.

With an attitude like Tacomaco's, you'll get roflstomped even with 100 Million SP.

Nothing to add really to the excellent advice you already got from all the other dudes, I'll just +1 the fun and usefulness of being in a Corp and suggest this link for a good list of FW Corps: Active & recruiting FW corps

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-03-03 17:09:55 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
OP, EVE is a fantastic PVP game because:

Player skill + Having friends >>> Skill Points

With an attitude like yours, trust me, you'll enjoy and be successful at EVE PVP from day 1.

With an attitude like Tacomaco's, you'll get roflstomped even with 100 Million SP.

Nothing to add really to the excellent advice you already got from all the other dudes, I'll just +1 the fun and usefulness of being in a Corp and suggest this link for a good list of FW Corps: Active & recruiting FW corps


My mail to the OP + you posting here shortly after made me laughing.

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Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#6 - 2014-03-03 17:14:35 UTC
I'm wondering how many of us mailed the OP now :)

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-03-03 17:15:52 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
My mail to the OP + you posting here shortly after made me laughing.
Why? Because we're saying exactly the same things? Big smile It's just EVE common sense after all... Blink

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#8 - 2014-03-03 17:51:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Hi,

We've had people FC fleets that had to train the skills for their MWD whilst leading the fleet, and turn it on when they were able to. SP isn't a barrier.

However you're right that you need to fund yourself, which isn't so easily discarded.

Luckily, you can earn more in FW than you can in highsec L4 missions, and you can do it in a ship that doesn't need months of SP invested.

Lots of guides and corps exist to help get you into Faction warfare. Missions are best done in a bomber, guides will tell you how.

Hand in a few of these missions, convert your LP, and you will have the ISK for 100's of frigates.

Don't get into a trap of grinding ISK in highsec to one-day use it to have fun, it's ultimately a fool's trap.

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Qalix
Long Jump.
#9 - 2014-03-03 18:07:19 UTC
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Factional_Warfare

FW can help fund you as well provide PvP. Read, read, read.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-03-03 18:25:24 UTC
Miriya Zakalwe wrote:
I'm wondering how many of us mailed the OP now :)



OP should see it as a good sign.

People taking their time to write you an email to help you means they see a great future in you as they are giving up their time to write you.Lol

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Jenni Psycho
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-03-03 18:39:41 UTC
Many people mailed me, and every single person gave me valuable advice. People offered help, and someone is even offered to help me with 1 on 1 training.

The response has been amazing and I thank everyone who mailed me and everyone who replied to this thread.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-03-03 20:40:05 UTC
Qalix wrote:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Factional_Warfare

FW can help fund you as well provide PvP. Read, read, read.


Want to stress this. As a player that enjoys pvp you're likely to find missions pretty boring (though some find it a good way to relax).

FW income is more than capable of keeping you in t1 frigates and even cruisers. There's no reason to train for a battleship to do level 4s unless flying big ships really appeals to you. If small ships are your thing, focus on that first. You'll have greater success in pvp combat much faster if you focus your training.

It's one of those things, there's plenty of PvE that you can manage in a PvP ship, but very little PvP can be done in a PvE ship. So train for PvP. Big smile

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-03-03 21:50:18 UTC
An EVE classic:

3 Frigates Vs Raven

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#14 - 2014-03-04 02:48:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.

The rules:
18. New player bashing will not be tolerated.

New members of the EVE Online community are encouraged to use, but are not restricted to the EVE New Citizens Q&A forum. This forum is specifically designed to provide a platform for those who are new to the EVE community to ask questions and learn more about EVE. More experienced forum users are encouraged to participate by assisting new players with helpful and courteous responses. All flaming, trolling and posts of a derogatory nature will be deleted, and will be considered a severe breach of the forum rules.



And to the OP: Low skilled frigate PvP is one of the most exiting things you can do in EvE. Of course, don't be afraid of going BOOM a lot....Blink
My advice would be to accept any of the offers of the posters above and just go for it. And welcome to EvE!

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Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#15 - 2014-03-04 04:59:12 UTC
Good call :)
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-03-04 05:16:07 UTC
Thank you Ezwal

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#17 - 2014-03-05 10:03:29 UTC
OP, listen...

* takes OP apart for a few seconds *

...piracy is really not immoral or anything. Basicly what you give is a lesson. Stab your ship, pre-align out, warp out the pod ASAP... all important lessons all Eve players must learn.

While you are out in your frigate looking for a fight, I wouldn't pass up the chance to kill an Industrial. Just make sure you have your own sitting ready nearby (or even better, a friend or alt flying one) to scoop high-volume loot.
Jenni Psycho
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-03-05 11:33:19 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
OP, listen...

* takes OP apart for a few seconds *

...piracy is really not immoral or anything. Basicly what you give is a lesson. Stab your ship, pre-align out, warp out the pod ASAP... all important lessons all Eve players must learn.

While you are out in your frigate looking for a fight, I wouldn't pass up the chance to kill an Industrial. Just make sure you have your own sitting ready nearby (or even better, a friend or alt flying one) to scoop high-volume loot.


Hehe, while the idea does sound interesting I am afraid that for now I want to focus on not getting my behind handed to me in FW! I am not going to link my killboard because quite frankly it looks really bad. I died in every single engagement!

I did have 2 good fights though. One against a Pirate like yourself actually! The fight went pretty well even though I died. I might have done better but the ship wasnt flagged so I didnt attack first. It took me a second or two to figure out what was happening. The person was really nice though and offered me some one on one training.

The other fight I could have won if I only remembered to activate my warp scrambler... I normally die so fast that I dont actually bother by activating the warp scrambler! lol
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-03-05 12:12:14 UTC
OP... check your contracts. I've sent you a little care package to get you're back in the fray sooner rather than later.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-03-05 23:43:24 UTC
Sounds like the OP already has gotten plenty of advice/ help! I just wanted to address the misconception about FW requiring an additional income source. FW is probably the most consistently profitable solo pvp activity in the game. If you've done all of the tutorials and the soe arc, you should have enough isk to buy a few frigates and get started. Don't expect to win many fights off the start, but you can always orbit some buttons for income after losing a few.

Convo or mail me in game if you want to try some duels OP. I can't teach you to be an expert pvp'er, but I've helped a few people get a feel for range control and navigation when against another player.

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