EVE General Discussion

First, a disclaimer:

- The real-time training concept is great
- The 'order of magnitude' of the current training time feels right too. It gives you time to learn to fly stuff and makes that new ship class that you've waited weeks/months to get into all the more rewarding. It also gives progression in EVE that 'epic' pace that is pretty cool.


But...


Why not speed up things just a little bit? Say, 5% to 10% max.

To make it fair for everybody, all active accounts would receive an SP bonus of exactly ( 1 / 0.95-0.9 -1 = ) 5.26%-11.11% of their current SP.

So all EVE players, new and old, would be able to do a little bit more stuff in the game. A new ship class, a bonus to the preferred weapon system, whatever.

My assumption here is: a bit more opportunites for all = a bit more fun for all. And since it would be percentage-based, it shouldn't really make things easier for new players at the expense of the vets. The vets would get a hefty SP bonus indeed! That they could maybe use to more easily kill that HAC that the younger player just got into a few weeks earlier than before... Win-win maybe?

Wouldn't we all love this? Wouldn't it also boost active player numbers ('hey lemme go try that brand new toy')?

Final disclaimer: I know most threads are whiney these days. I'm not complaining, I'm a patient dude and I have tons of fun flying just frigs and dessies atm. Just thought this could be reasonable and a nice present for every EVE player

Nah.

TO justify a change, you need a compelling reason. "It feels slow" isn't a reason and "it might be more fun" also isn't a reason.

There isn't a day that goes by that I don't look at EVE mon and want to yell, "TRAIN FASTER damn it" because I want to do things with the characters that are training (for example, I'm training up a low sec lvl 5 mission running team, 23 days to go till they have the skill I need them to have to pull it off).

But the "slow" training time makes getting the result mean something. The current training times holds a player accountable to himself for his decisions about what to train and when to remap. I don't see a compelling reason to speed things up.

Just rememeber the old EVE adage that 20% of training gets you 80% of the benefits. Only train to V if it leads to something like a new ship/module, opens up a new skill or, very rarely, the skill is stupidly OP (did I hear someone mutter Drone Interfacing?) .

More importantly do not get focussed on "bigger is better" and obsessed with skill training. New players can get far to stuck on accumulating SP and struggling to qualify for something like a Maurauder when the most fun in the game often comes from things like interceptors that you can feasibly fly within 2 weeks of subbing your trial account.

You would absolutely BOmB the character bizarre market

Thanks for the advice guys, but I'd like to clarify: I wasn't asking how to train faster/more effectively or how to have fun with the skills I have.

I wanted to ask: wouldn't EVE be more fun for everybody - and still remaining pretty much the challenging game we all love - if we had a slight 5-10% boost both to current SP and to new SP progression?

Or in other words: wouldn't you enjoy a slight skill boost? Remember 5-10% boost means you'd still have to train many many months for that Archon... still not 'instant gratification' by any measure.

Malcanis' Law: "Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of ‘new players’, that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players."


New players benefit: Can get into {shiny ship} much faster!

This can be a counter-benefit by messing with the deliberate slow progression and dumping big stuff on people not ready for it. Believe it or not, hopping into the biggest, most "oh wow!" ship is not a way to success when people in small ships who know what they're doing can crap on your thunder.

Veteran players benefit:

• Easy-mode training of alts
• Character bazaar price crash (not a benefit for some)
• T3 skill point loss more meaningless
• Less dedication/investment in training high-tier skills to V

Vets do not need all this help. I say this being a 5-year player who would absolutely love training stuff faster. As much as I'd enjoy it, it would simply be bad for Eve.

So...


No. Skill training is fine.

Well said.

That's something that is usually missing from the people who propose ideas: careful consideration of the potential downsides. "Easy-mode training of alts" is one such point, people are already complaining about how easy it is to make a dessie ganking alt, this idea would make it easier.

No compelling reason (ie, it's not fixing something that is broke or adding anything really new) plus too many poetntial unintended consequences makes this a ver bad idea. Not game breakingly bad , but bad, To answer the OPs question, sure, I'd 'like' (for me personally) faster training, but what I like and what the game needs are 2 different things.

I'm not so sure, actually. If you make skill training 5% faster and ALSO give +5% SPs to every existing toon, including the ones on the bazar, I wonder if and how prices would change? An interesting question for the economists, actually...!

n.m, just saw what you doing here