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Structural Flaw in eve's markets and a nascent idea request
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2011-11-16 16:43:38 UTC
i wish we could ruin people who were shorting oxytopes itd own

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2011-11-16 16:44:05 UTC
i approve of this so we can make even more money on insider trading

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
EliteProspector
Death Squad REVENGE
#23 - 2011-11-17 23:51:42 UTC
To the OP:
I think this is a great Idea. There are quite a few items I would take strong short positions and an options fulfillment system would enable that. I think this would have to be restricted to heavily traded highly liquid items to prevent abuse of essential areas of the game.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-11-18 00:17:46 UTC
Watch us manage to **** them up anyways.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#25 - 2011-11-20 21:45:53 UTC
How about imposing a 3rd tax based on the amount the DEV's set the 0.00 average price for any given item for both sale's and buy orders?

Its not hard, I think with just a few min of practice, a well informed CCP employee can mod every single item value, each item taking 3 seconds to modify once per month?

Its just an idea thrown out there, in no way do I think its a perfect solution but maybe it might be of some use to some one out there.
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#26 - 2011-11-22 03:33:36 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:


It's theft, plain and simple. You want to steal from people? Fine, but you're going to have to do it yourself. In the real world, the mechanisms you're asking for only came into existence through centuries of influence-peddling, constant lying and manipulation, and great expense.


All market transactions and obligations are entered into voluntarily. You can have fraud and related stuff, but theft is not one of the problems of a market.
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#27 - 2011-11-28 21:02:17 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
Financial theory, on the other hand, is based on the concept that you can make a fortune by royally screwing markets with forces that have nothing to do with supply or demand. That fortune comes at the expense of actual market participants. Always.

It's theft, plain and simple. You want to steal from people? Fine, but you're going to have to do it yourself. In the real world, the mechanisms you're asking for only came into existence through centuries of influence-peddling, constant lying and manipulation, and great expense.


This is an already implemented game mechanic.
Adunh Slavy
#28 - 2011-11-29 00:18:39 UTC
You can short ISK.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
TraderAlt 4153172618
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-11-29 20:26:53 UTC
I would love to be able to short, but it isn't going to happen because there is no good mechanism for forcing a character to pay out at a given date.

Unless you can find a solution that is simple/elegant CCP is not going to bother and you'll get no support here.

What you are asking for is a flying car. You know you want one, you know how cool it would be and all the great things you could do with it. But you have no idea how to actually make a car that flies, so you are asking CCP to figure it out for you.

What makes you think they can come up with a solution that 350,000 subscribers can't figure out?

Find a solution and the new CCP will work on it, but the fact that there is no mechanism to to set up a contract to be executed on a future date, that isn't prone to fraud, thwarts this idea at inception.

(As for your example, why would I as the seller want to hold a bunch of stock for only 5M when I could just sell it now? How is that of any benefit to me?)
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