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FW farming.... It's getting REALLY lame.
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Lina Theist
Running out of Space
EDGE Alliance
#121 - 2014-03-02 14:58:42 UTC
Garric Shadowbane wrote:
Today I saw another russian Farming alt 2 weeks old hit my home system for the entire day (24 hours). FW is great, but the farm really sucks life out of it. Who cares about hitting systems when we have alts that can plex harder and longer than any of us. There is probably a bot running the crap out of this.


I know you guys are tired of it too, and are probably really tired of people complaining about it also. But CCP wont change anything unless we bring forward the topic.


perhaps already suggested, but prehaps a standing requirement to join? Like 1.00 with the faction you want to join?
Garric Shadowbane
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#122 - 2014-03-02 22:38:02 UTC
It's just really unfortunate to those that are solely in FW and rely on it as a source of income to fuel more FW endeavors are screwed over by the farmers who just take the LP and sell it on the market.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#123 - 2014-03-02 23:18:40 UTC
Lina Theist wrote:
Garric Shadowbane wrote:
Today I saw another russian Farming alt 2 weeks old hit my home system for the entire day (24 hours). FW is great, but the farm really sucks life out of it. Who cares about hitting systems when we have alts that can plex harder and longer than any of us. There is probably a bot running the crap out of this.


I know you guys are tired of it too, and are probably really tired of people complaining about it also. But CCP wont change anything unless we bring forward the topic.


perhaps already suggested, but prehaps a standing requirement to join? Like 1.00 with the faction you want to join?



CCP removed the old standing requirements which is what started the farming.

I cbf searching for it - but many predicted this exact farming situation and posted exactly what would happen right before the standing req changed.


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Zack Korth
Livid CO.
#124 - 2014-03-03 00:53:07 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
Can't fix being less dedicated than the enemy


boom. quote of a life time
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#125 - 2014-03-03 16:33:59 UTC
Garric Shadowbane wrote:
It's just really unfortunate to those that are solely in FW and rely on it as a source of income to fuel more FW endeavors are screwed over by the farmers who just take the LP and sell it on the market.
This is a false argument since FW players make enough isk even at Tier 1 and even with lots of farmers all over the warzone.

Master Sergeant MacRobert
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#126 - 2014-03-03 17:21:42 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Garric Shadowbane wrote:
It's just really unfortunate to those that are solely in FW and rely on it as a source of income to fuel more FW endeavors are screwed over by the farmers who just take the LP and sell it on the market.
This is a false argument since FW players make enough isk even at Tier 1 and even with lots of farmers all over the warzone.



Exactly.

The problem is that the balance in FW does not promote committed play from capsuleers.

There is too much reward for low - zero risk for those that want to farm and consequently, there is a subsequent lack of targets that are committed to the sort of immersive play that should be the bread and butter of the FW zone.

FW needs a huge rebalance. It should be populated by those that sign up for battle.

Reward those that sign up and fight for territory and against their WarDec targets. Make it less rewarding (than mining) for those that believe they can join Faction WARfare and simply make isk or run away.



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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2014-03-03 17:54:05 UTC
it looks like many players mistake FW with "Factional Warfare" while in original design FW is FarmWille Twisted

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#128 - 2014-03-03 18:34:17 UTC
current system is fine. stop complaining.
Sarpy Aranori
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2014-03-03 19:11:00 UTC
It'd be nice if it was a nice even fight.

If tiers changed dramatically overnight and such and things were always happening and changing.

Instead of each faction taking turns in high tier
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2014-03-03 19:18:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
Sarpy Aranori wrote:
Instead of each faction taking turns in high tier
Yeah it's all a conspiracy, we're all really in it just for the ISK.

We get thousands of kills just because our mains have nothing better to do while our alts farm. Lol

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Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
#131 - 2014-03-03 22:17:18 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
I am really getting tired of this **** ,too.
Minmatar hide in Huola and don´t fight.
1 week old gal and minnie alts plexing stabbed and cloaky like mad. Half of them bots. CCPs war on bots is a joke.
But wanna bet we get some new mobile structures soon?
THIS GAME NEEDS FIXES. GODDAMN.


then come take huola. problem solved.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#132 - 2014-03-04 04:26:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarnak Wulf
Gritz1 wrote:
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
I am really getting tired of this **** ,too.
Minmatar hide in Huola and don´t fight.
1 week old gal and minnie alts plexing stabbed and cloaky like mad. Half of them bots. CCPs war on bots is a joke.
But wanna bet we get some new mobile structures soon?
THIS GAME NEEDS FIXES. GODDAMN.


then come take huola. problem solved.


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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#133 - 2014-03-04 04:50:13 UTC
Gritz1 wrote:
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
I am really getting tired of this **** ,too.
Minmatar hide in Huola and don´t fight.
1 week old gal and minnie alts plexing stabbed and cloaky like mad. Half of them bots. CCPs war on bots is a joke.
But wanna bet we get some new mobile structures soon?
THIS GAME NEEDS FIXES. GODDAMN.


then come take huola. problem solved.


you think the FW system works if you have only two systems in the entire warzone where you can get fights out of? huola and lulm? The entire point of this thread is to make it work for the remaining 99% of the warzone - thats where the farming happens and not in high traffic systems.

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Ghaylenty
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2014-03-04 09:08:22 UTC
i do alot of solo fw and the afk botting cloak/stabbed farmers are a serious problem.

not only are they undermining FW, but theyre also undermining the LP market and id assume theyre behind a vast majority of the LP item sales, thus taking funds away from actual players (in which case id assume they also use these illicitly gained funds for RMT purposes.)

the solution is very clear and simple.

the acceleration gates need to check for stabs and cloak modules, and then disallow you to slide the gate if your ship is fitted with those. this will have the end result of making botting extremely tedious by forcing bots to warp off every time a player enters the plex. it will bring the risk:reward ratio more in line with what actual players encounter when running plexes, and create an environment so hostile as to decimate the botter's ability to earn a passive income.

barring that, the timer should simply not work if you are trying to spin it with a cloak or stab. however, the first solution is much preferred.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#135 - 2014-03-04 15:25:53 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
you think the FW system works if you have only two systems in the entire warzone where you can get fights out of? huola and lulm? The entire point of this thread is to make it work for the remaining 99% of the warzone - thats where the farming happens and not in high traffic systems.

Endgame is near, and players complain about fights in concentrated area of space. Roll
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#136 - 2014-03-04 15:39:49 UTC
losing cloaks and stabs wont fix it, it will make it tedious yes but not eradicate it the farmer will just sit as far away from the warp in as possible and warp to a safe as soon as you come on short range and to my knowledge most farmers have a main doing something else somewere and just play on that then the pvper gets bored and usually leaves after 5 mins failing that the farmer will just run to another system and farm..



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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#137 - 2014-03-04 16:02:18 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
losing cloaks and stabs wont fix it, it will make it tedious yes but not eradicate it the farmer will just sit as far away from the warp in as possible and warp to a safe as soon as you come on short range and to my knowledge most farmers have a main doing something else somewere and just play on that then the pvper gets bored and usually leaves after 5 mins failing that the farmer will just run to another system and farm..
At least he would have to move, and that slows his progress down a little. Radical changes aren't needed, just some tweeks to make it not as profitable for a guy who doesn't want to fight.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2014-03-04 16:27:02 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
Gritz1 wrote:
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
I am really getting tired of this **** ,too.
Minmatar hide in Huola and don´t fight.
1 week old gal and minnie alts plexing stabbed and cloaky like mad. Half of them bots. CCPs war on bots is a joke.
But wanna bet we get some new mobile structures soon?
THIS GAME NEEDS FIXES. GODDAMN.


then come take huola. problem solved.


you think the FW system works if you have only two systems in the entire warzone where you can get fights out of?

this is only problem of low-sec. People have lots of fights in high-sec (mostly around trade-hubs)

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2014-03-04 16:29:37 UTC
Just give repeat farmers a Criminal Flag.

Like the three strikes law: farm once, ok everyone needs some ISK, farm twice a slap on the wrist. But the third time, bam! GCC

Let the gate guns deal with them, PVP-ers have more important business to attend to. Big smile

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raider womb
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#140 - 2014-03-04 17:23:18 UTC
If I want maximum profit which militia should I join?