Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And when someone said he has no idea ? Actually i did like many his previous posts. But here i can honestly say , he is wrong.
I'm mathematician, got master degree at University. But i can still make mistake in equotations or even make logical mistake sometimes when it comes to math problems. We are just human beings. And we can make mistakes.

And just because he uses frigs for pvp doesn't make him only authority when it comes to frigate balance.
I can say even more - there are many people why fly frigates and have some idea how they work.
But what actually counts is logic behind ideas, and i did point out where his idea got flaws.

Actually pretty massive flaws , to the point where i think someone hacked his acc and posts some silly ideas as you said ;).

I have no idea what he has been arguing about as i did not read the posts before that :P

So the idea is a 4 lowslots cruor with 2 mids? That could probably work with the right bonuses. The current slot layouts/bonuses just make it an irritating but overall bad ship.

fit nos m8

You say your aren't trying to build a super Incursion Nightmare but every thing you suggets plays perfectly for one... The fact is that if the Nightmare becomes any slower it will never be used in PvP at any point. The speed makes it too vulnerable for solo/small gangs and the cost makes it too expensive to be a ship of the line. The Bhaalgorn has a niche, the Mach is a BC on roids, the Vindy has ultimate range control with 90% webs and the Rattler is cheap enough to catch occasional small gang PvP or hostile area PvE use. The current Nightmare and your proposed Nightmare have none of those things and will remain anchored in High Sec running incursions unless changed.

excellent point since the sentinel can indeed enter novice plex's thx for this advice will use in the future

I realize that you may already have your own plans for the Guristas' fleet, but let me throw this one idea out there...

I always liked the fact that they used drones, 5 of them...

It presented that idea of 'shoring up their numbers' against a bigger adversary (ie. faction navy). Drones are also expendable, so to a pirate who has to cut and run for what ever the reason, he/she wouldn't be crying over their loss.

It also offered versatility for their ships... Ewar, logistics as well as being able to fire bigger guns (sentries), it all depended on the fit or use as determined by the player...
Drone bonuses (at least to me) are fine for what the ships are. If you wanted a dedicated drone ship, fly Gallente right?

I especially also liked the fact that they used missles...

Yet, they aren't quite missle ships, so having any sort of bonus for them makes Guristas ships sort of "odd"...

So my suggestion is simple, if you're going to push for a missle bonus, specialize the ship in one type (ie. guided missles.)


Special Ability: 50% bonus to Guided Missle Precision (previously 50% bonus to Missile velocity)

With one added difference:

Guristas Role bonus: Auto-Targeting Missles do not lock onto 'friendly' targets.

It adds a new dimension to gameplay, a slight measure of ECM resistance and that ability to 'quick draw' unique to a single pirate faction...

From a storyline point of view, it makes the most sense since a Gurista would have figured out how to best control their own missles better (just like a drone). Or at the least, combining a stripped down drone AI with a missle guidance system...


To carry it even further, you could eventually bring out tech 2 variants of auto-targeting missles that would offer more of a payload and an Auto-Targeting Missiles Specialization skill that could concievable offer a 2% bonus per level to the rate of fire on all Light, Heavy, Cruise, Rapid Light and Rapid Heavy Launchers only when equipped with 'auto-targeting missiles'... (something that can be used by everybody else).

Tell me that wouldn't make these ships more viable for PVP...

Anyways, that was my two ISK on it...

Good job CCP completely destroying the Gurista line of pirate ships. Cutting them down to 2 drones deployed out at a time only really? What kind of stupid crap is that? Don't you realize those ships are used for logistical purposes as well as offensive ones? So what now we can only launch two drones? What good is that for when using them as logi ships? And even with a boost to HP a drone is still made out of glass since they HAVE ALMOST NO RESISTS WHATSOEVER! And don't forget two drones are easier to kill than five!

Also why kill off the missile velocity bonus on the Rattler? Don't you realize kinetic and thermal are some of the most highest resisted stats on most ships? Great job with that. So now we can forget about torpedo's on a Rattlesnake since they won't go very far, and their damage output of launchers will suck since you are shooting the wrong damage for the most part. Having the rainbow damage output for the launchers was a very useful bonus for the Rattlesnake.

I am just completely baffled by this nonsense! Two drones? How is that unique? Or interesting? Honesty if this crap is what you have planned for the Gurista pirate faction I feel the only thing you will succeed in doing is making a bunch of now very good ships completely worthless and unimaginative.

I feel you need to go back to the drawing board on this one.

Those ships also use 5 drones as logistical to as well as offensive. So unless CCP adds the bonus to logi drones (let's face it all drone types) then having two drones deployed is just stupid. Thicker raw HP means nothing when their resists suck. They will melt just as quick. Only lights will survive, and even then they will have such a low impact it doesn't matter. Why can't they do like some people are suggesting and spread the damage of the Gurista pirate faction ships over their two damage types? Missiles and drones. Buffing the missiles while nerfing the drone damage output a bit is much better than this proposed change.

The problem with the Guristas bonuses.... especially with the larger ships later... is that it doesn't affect any type of drone other than damage.

It also wipes out a lot of the nerf to fleet assist with drones because it essentially allows someone to control up to 125 drones worth of firepower instead of the nerfed 50 all other ships will suffer from.

I think a more unique role for Guristas would be a 300% boost to all non-damage drones hp and effects since we currently don't have any ship in game that can do this. Then add a few extra missile slots and keep large drone bay, and hey, you got an interesting concept that relatively weak on damage, but strong on projected effects from drones like webs, neuts, etc.

You know, there is a reason everyone who plays this game uses "EHP" instead of "HP"

The base Worm my have less raw HP then the drones it launches, but the Worm also has base resists, and Caldari shield resists, and it can fit shield extenders and shield rigs, shield boosters, etc.


The fewer but buffed drones is dumb because it is strictly limited to doing raw damage. The drones are no faster, have no better tracking, like we get on pretty much all the other drone boats. And it does not buff ecm or logi drones. It is horribly limited on anything that isn't being sold as a highly specialized Tech 2 hull.

They want the Worm to be an awesome drone using frigate? Give it the usual 5 drones, the 10%/level damage bonus of all the other serious drone boats, and give it a velocity and/or tracking bonus so it can actually catch and hit fast moving ships. Give it the full 25Mbit bandwidth so you can actually have the option of just dropping a sentry or using a full fight of light armor reppers. Give it a big enough bay to give it some flexibility.

Without the velocity, range, and tracking bonuses for drones, the Guristas line will still be outclassed by Gallente ships. And many of the Gallente ships effectively get a kinetic and thermal damage bonus through hybrids.