Missions & Complexes

So I noticed my expedition timers no longer reset when warping to the site so i can extend the time allowed to do them each day.


Was this removed or is it a bug?

To clarify I did actually warp into the site to try and reset the timer and nothing happened

making it alot harder to sell my esculations for isk...

Yeah, the escalation timer change in my opinion is completely unwarranted. The old mechanic worked just fine and everyone was happy with it.

As an active member of this community for over 5 years, I've never seen any rage / complaint threads posted about the escalation timer until this change.




DMC

ya i was running late to a site. I got in system with like 20 seconds to spare. Thinking great i'll hit warp and land with site still playable. Nope

No - you've missed the point, which is probably from you not doing the null escalations which take so long (from anomalies).

If I am playing 5 hours per day, there is a fair chance that I'll be able to complete most of of my escalations. If I am playing for 2 hours per day, its likely that (a) the escalation cannot be completed in todays playtime, and (b) the escalation also cannot be completed before it despawns in tomorrows playtime.

ie it has gone from a relatively fair system, where I could prolong the existence of the escalation until I had time to do it, to being a relatively unfair system, where it seriously favours people with long play sessions.

ie you seem to have some picture that escalations take 10 minutes to do, where as a ded escalation from a nullsec anomaly is likely to take 90 minutes including travel time, and quite often involves dead time waiting for active reds to go away.

A player living in gurista space playing for 90 minutes a day, would probably only be able to complete the ded 6 escalation in the timeframes available to them, and that comes off particularly dull encounters that earn no isk, and has tiny (1%) trigger rates.

IMO the minimum viable play session is now 3 hours, and that's too much and bad game design. I would not care if the timer was not put back to 7 days, I do think it should reliably overlap for a 90 minute a day player (ie imo 26 hours is the minimum timer that should be on escalations).

I don't know why either of you expect the big rewards to come from minimal, inflexible playtimes. You've actually got to work for it, which is good. Prices go up. Money for my effort goes up.




Also it forces you into making compromising decisions about your personal security (possibly). Which is even better for me.

You already have to work for it. ie if I spent 700 minutes over 6 play sessions popping a ******* escalation, then I should be allowed to have a chance to actually do said escalation.

Honestly CCP is stark raving mad if they think this isn't a horribly inflexble and unfun system, and they could fix it by simply adding 4 hours to the timer, so that it doesn't despawn during the very first available play session to complete it, for most people.

I'm far more likely to be able to arrange to extend tomorrows game session to be able to do the escalation than I am on the random unguessable day that it popped. ie real life, do deals with people I socialise or work with, blah blah blah.

and no that isn't inflexible, its just pointing out how ******* stupid a 24hr content timer off a random once every 10 minutes sample truly is (and why it wasn't designed that stupid way in the first place).

The fix isn't in there to force us to do the content quickly - the fix is in there because CCP can't be bothered making the NPCs unscannable, or can't be bothered making the content remember what state its in after a DT, which is a problem I will note is still in there.

Furthermore, all the 30 stupid battleships respawn after DT, and my play time is wrapped around DT, which is another reason why even if I had as much as 4 hours on a day, I'd still probably struggle to get one of the longer ones done, because I literally can't start on some of them before DT if I log on an hour before DT.

The reset timer was most used to exploit the spawn reset after DT, by removing the reset timer players have to choose to complete a escalation once it has need started or give it up, not reset it and cargo scan the rat until suitable loot drops.

While I agree that the cargo scanning or ship scanning of the overseer was an exploit, doing escalations in "hostile" area is pretty tough now.

If I get an escalation in a system I can't reach due to gate-camps, or because the system is too hot I automaticly lose the escalation, because I often cannot re-log within 24h.

Ofcourse that's an issue for me to work out, yet if they find scanning the overseer a problem, why not make overseers impossible to scan? Like some overseers being imune to web's or other E-War.

If you cant get to the escalation within 24 hrs do to gate camps and mass travel or hostile areas, how will the reset timer have helped to begin with?